No mention of the list just being an example.

Sry, I thought that Quality being subjective was common knowledge. My mistake of expecting everyone to already know that.

"10 million people can't be wrong!"

Like I said, its bad, really bad actually. It is comprised of tiny mini games that still dont add up to a worthwhile experience. Yet that still is my opinion. You also left out the other criteria for judging a AAA game that I stated. That the game must have held some interest to you. Way to go, you cherry picked your battle.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/906/906250p1.html?RSSwhen2008-08-28_140300&RSSid=906250

" One of the most unfortunate "innovations" the Wii has inflicted upon the world is forcing people who just want to play a damn game to wave their arms all over the place like a bunch of jerks. Enter Helix, a downloadable WiiWare game that consists of nothing more than flailing around to the cheesiest techno this side of a Jock Jams CD. This is yet another offering that will only be enjoyed by the seven-year olds who don't know any better (and know no shame)"

http://vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1173700

"IGN just posted the worst review I have ever seen on that site about Helix. I suggest anybody interested in the title ignore it since it's more about the reviewer's own insecurities than it is about the game."

If you dont like the way a particular review is written, FIND A BETTER ONE! I never said WHICH reviews counted or did not count.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1178230

"The only way we can know what games the general public "adores" is by observing titles' sales. So we're now confronted with several problems: many, many games that receive top marks from metacritic et. al. do not sell well (and are therefore no longer worth purchasing) and many many games that receive mediocre marks (s)ell brilliantly, but are judged as not worth purchasing by your standard."

Killzone actually sold pretty well for its budget (it still sells as of today). Many actually liked the game as well, me for example. It was the fact that it was suppose to be a HALO killer that got it such bad light.

And now we make this discussion a bit more serious. The sentence highlighted is the key to why some of us are badgering you. You see, a boycott of the type you're proposing is worthless unless vast numbers of people are willing to participate. Unfortunately, we do all have radically different definitions of what is and is not a quality game. I, for instance, thought Halo 3 was the definition of mediocrity, but millions of folks out there disagree.

If you saw this particular line already, why are you still trying to flame? That is just childish to continue the charade as if you didn't know what my intentions were with this thread.

The lesson you should draw from this is enshrined in the age-old adage that "one man's trash is another man's treasure." How many reviewers have you seen call Wii Sports mediocre (metacritic score: 76)? And now how many tens of millions of people are buying a Wii because they played Wii Sports and fell in love with it? On the flip side, millions of those folks would walk away from Metal Gear Solid 4 after ten minutes. Who, then, is to judge what is "quality"?

Balance, something I have already went over in this very thread.

Let me make this even more personal, to drive home the point. I thought Final Fantasy VII is the most overrated RPG of all time. Were it up to me, the game would not have sold a single copy. Of course, were it up to me, you'd be deprived of a game that you evidently cherish.

Now you are just being indifferent, trying to evoke a outlandish response from me. Whatever, you can continue your petty flaimbait as I know that My OP has nothing to do with this.

What, then, gives me the right to say what games are good for others, and which are not? And if I can't tell you which game you can and can't buy, and if we judge games by such radically different standards, how is any boycott against mediocre games possibly going to succeed? The only acceptable answer is that people will be free to spend their money on whichever games they think are worth the money.....which is exactly what we're already doing.

And just for the sake of completion (and because ribbing you is fun).

If this does not show pettyness, i dont know what does.

Okee-dokee.

But only if you come up with a better argument.

Yours is the one that needs some work my friend as you can find no real flaw in my logic, carry on.

Yeah man, I agree. I'm ready to be done posting on this one.

On topic, Cloud, I think you should remove that list from the OP.

This is the saddest post I have ever seen. People so ready to flame the second they see a game list on quality.

People like this make me sick....

Think what you will. I'll give you the peace you so desperately want soon enough. But ask yourself this: if you're the only person that agrees with you, shouldn't you at least take a second to think whether you're right or not?

More importantly, even if you choose to hold to your convictions, doesn't the fact that no one seems to *understand* the point that you alone get mean that you're failing to communicate? There's a simple maxim we learned on the first day of law school: words are your tools. If your point isn't getting across, then you're using the wrong ones.

But nothing I've just said will probably have any effect on you, so I'll let you enjoy this "no one can disagree with me!" thread you've apparently got going here.

Have a good night.

The reason I have issue with post such as your previous one is that there really is nothing to disagree with in this Thread. My list is an example nothing else. I dont want people to buy bad games anymore. What is there to dis agree with. Only thing there is left to do is Sign in the Thread showing that you are no longer going to buy mediocre games to continue the lie that they are actually good.

Many people simply got the wrong impression, I geuss for that I am partly to blame. They see my Pic, Sig, and a Quality list, so without hesitation they assum im Baiting them. I dont believe many even read the whole thing, just saw the list and ran with it.

 Most people don't buy games they think are bad though. Even the games "everyone" hates are the favorite of some. Some people hate the games "everyone" loves. The reaction you are getting is because the premise is built on the fact that some games must be universally accepted as bad. This completely undermines the notion that individual tastes differ. I know you keep saying that is not what you are going for, but your examples and the idea of this thread contradicts that,