Before you post your big retort to me, let me ask you to please, very clearly, reitterate the point of this thread, without using anecdotal examples, in 100 words or less.

Do it for stupid ole Zen, he don't cypher to well.

Well, blazin, I think that everybody should buy the game he or she wants to buy, without some dillweed(not referring to the OP, or any specific gamestop employee) at Gamestop trying to tell them their game sucks because it got an 83 on metacritic instead of an 85.

 People slam Culdcept Saga a lot when they play it. Most people hate it and would never think to pay for it because the game would suck for them. I fucking love it though. I would say the game is better than Super Mario Galaxy, Metal Gear Solid 4, Call of Duty 4, Halo 3. and a host of other "AAA must buy" titles. From what you just said you would be upset with me buying the game over the afformentioned titles. You can't decide what someone else will or will not enjoy. There are people out there who love Lair and look how that was recieved by almost everyone else.

As long as people are buying it then some people will love it. As long as enough people love it to justify another game in the same seriies/genre there should be another game. They may not be games that you personally enjoy, but that is irrelevant. It is sad that you feel the need to put an end to other people's enjoyment.

This is a post made in this very same forum, it explains a lot of what you initially missed. You apparently did not look at this particular otherwise you would not be spouting the gabage you are right now...

Wow! I just love how people take one little thing in an argument and run with it. Firstly, this thread was not to emphasize which games are AAA, AA, Mediocre but to solidify the census on how we should handle these different games. My list does not depict all AAA games that exist or all AA games that exist, only a small sample. IT was an EXAMPLE.

Secondly, the way I judge on how a game is AAA, AA, Mediocre is very much valid. If a game recieves countless bad reviews then you can best assure it is bad. I did not say I use Metacritic, I much rather go from what a reviewer puts in there review and score that personally to my liking. This eliminates the possiblity of bias within a review as you cannot evade the evidence of what is in a game. General Consensus can be judged by already generated sales, and how much P2P hype the game is getting (ala Little Big Planet as of right now).

The games I named are just MY LIST! Your list may be different from mine, depending on what you like. Quality is very much subjective in its own right, this was not to be the end all be all list.

SO TO EVERYONE ELSE IN POSTING IN THIS THREAD:

STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT MY LIST!!!!!

still awaiting that apology as none of your points make any sense now. You see me as a PS3 fan so you instantaneously expect me to post some kind of flamebait to get all the little kiddies riled up. Yet you are wrong yet again.

and no, you are not as smart as you think you are, otherwise you would not be here flaming my thread.

No mention of the list just being an example.

"10 million people can't be wrong!"

http://wii.ign.com/articles/906/906250p1.html?RSSwhen2008-08-28_140300&RSSid=906250

" One of the most unfortunate "innovations" the Wii has inflicted upon the world is forcing people who just want to play a damn game to wave their arms all over the place like a bunch of jerks. Enter Helix, a downloadable WiiWare game that consists of nothing more than flailing around to the cheesiest techno this side of a Jock Jams CD. This is yet another offering that will only be enjoyed by the seven-year olds who don't know any better (and know no shame)"

http://vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1173700

"IGN just posted the worst review I have ever seen on that site about Helix. I suggest anybody interested in the title ignore it since it's more about the reviewer's own insecurities than it is about the game."

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1178230

"The only way we can know what games the general public "adores" is by observing titles' sales. So we're now confronted with several problems: many, many games that receive top marks from metacritic et. al. do not sell well (and are therefore no longer worth purchasing) and many many games that receive mediocre marks (s)ell brilliantly, but are judged as not worth purchasing by your standard."

And now we make this discussion a bit more serious. The sentence highlighted is the key to why some of us are badgering you. You see, a boycott of the type you're proposing is worthless unless vast numbers of people are willing to participate. Unfortunately, we do all have radically different definitions of what is and is not a quality game. I, for instance, thought Halo 3 was the definition of mediocrity, but millions of folks out there disagree.

The lesson you should draw from this is enshrined in the age-old adage that "one man's trash is another man's treasure." How many reviewers have you seen call Wii Sports mediocre (metacritic score: 76)? And now how many tens of millions of people are buying a Wii because they played Wii Sports and fell in love with it? On the flip side, millions of those folks would walk away from Metal Gear Solid 4 after ten minutes. Who, then, is to judge what is "quality"?

Let me make this even more personal, to drive home the point. I thought Final Fantasy VII is the most overrated RPG of all time. Were it up to me, the game would not have sold a single copy. Of course, were it up to me, you'd be deprived of a game that you evidently cherish.

What, then, gives me the right to say what games are good for others, and which are not? And if I can't tell you which game you can and can't buy, and if we judge games by such radically different standards, how is any boycott against mediocre games possibly going to succeed? The only acceptable answer is that people will be free to spend their money on whichever games they think are worth the money.....which is exactly what we're already doing.

And just for the sake of completion (and because ribbing you is fun).

Okee-dokee.

But only if you come up with a better argument.

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Epic fail.

That's right, if I were really smart, I would go around calling people stupid, and personally insulting them, because they flamed my thread, wouldn't I? Like you. I mean, when you're in the right, calling the other guy stupid is always the starting point.

Stupid me. Whoever in their right mind would flame this thread. I mean, nobody else would dare do something like that.

When you said:

PC games dont hang with the big consoles when it comes to quality games unfortunately

Brilliance!

You weren't trying to present flamebait, you were totally serious and 100% informed and correct. I can tell because of how smart you are in other areas.

Even now, instead of presenting a case or explaination for yourself, you take the high road and ask me for an apology. How clever. Explaining yourself to an idiot would take too much effort. You've done nothing wrong. Anyone insulted by your, admittedly confusing OP, should instead give you props for an excellent effort.

In your everpresent brilliance, you've devised a perfect plan. Write in bold letters, "Don't flame me" later in your thread, and then when someone does flame you, you can say, "Hah! Sir, I told you not to flame me, therefore I need an apology."

Absolutely brilliant. I'm sorry. Here is my sincere apology. I couldn't, in all my years, dream up such an excellent and inciteful thread. It brings a tear to my eye, sir. Your posts here, have made history, and I'm just glad that I could bask in the glow of your epic thread, that above all else, should never be flamed, because it is just so univerally true and just, that flaming it is a sin against true gamers.

I didn't personally attack!!! He called me stupid! You didn't read his reply to my first post!?

He personally attacked me! My first post was about his thread and how bad I thought it was, and he said that I just wasn't very smart, and that I should apologize to him because of it! You go back and read that.

I'm done with this thread, now because I want to be, but because I'm afraid the thread has become sidetracked due to this little flame thing between me and the OP. No matter how I feel about a thread, I don't wanna sidetrack it. I'll briefly reply to any quoted statements, but I won't continue this flame, it's not worth it.