God the humor in this thread is unbelievable. Before this gen started and the Wii rocked the world causing "casual" to become a dirty word LBP would definitely be considered a casual title. Heck if it was a Wii exclusive it would be considered a casual title by many of the people praising it in this thread.

At this point snobcore gamers are running around labeling any game they personally don't like as "casual" and any game they do like as "core".

I can do that too! lolololol FFXIII is casual! Wii Play is hardcore!1!shift+1!!1!

libellule said: bdbdbd said: @Libellule: LBP=No need to create level ALL about creating a level and sharing it online = hardcore , LBP=Casual. Home=Do not fill the requirements of hardcore game, Home=Casual. Online community, online play, online purchase, online customization =  hardcore (as if Second life was casual lol) Eight Days=Abandoned for, EyePet=Casual.    Fixed.

 

By the same horrible logic Wii Sports with it's "intense leaderboards" and medals is hardcore!  OMG Nintendo isn't abandoning the hardcore!  They're secretly turning disabled grandmas and housewives into hardcore gamers!

True but now they are coming. The first year was annoying because there was not much to play for the PS3. But the next year looks pretty amazing. Totally opposite to the Wii. The first 18 months had Zelda, Smash, Galaxy, Kart, Metroid, the next 6-9 months Nothing, nil, zilch. That's the difference Nintendo fired out of every barrel during the first year because they thought this was necessary to kickstart the Wii (which worked) Sony was too confident. Now the gaming pipeline is reversed.

Kyros said: t's harder to single out Nintendo for overlooking its "core audience" With the difference that Sony will bring out Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2, Killzone 2 (wow lots of 2s) soon, Gran Turismo 5, God of War 3, Uncharted 2 later. While the most "core" games Nintendo has announced is Animal Crossing. Which is as casual and not core as it gets. I am not sure if Sony will be successful by trying to recapture some of the casual audience but as long as I get a new Team Ico game, God of War3 and GT5 they can make all the virtual pets and party games they want.

 

So the only difference is that Sony hypes their core titles 3 years before they release while Nintendo talks about theirs 3 months before they release. Gotcha.

Seriously, that's all these "Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore!" alarmists are really complaining about. I could rattle off a similarly long list of rumoured Nintendo core games (reliable rumours like Pikmin 3 and Kid Icarus, not dream games), but because there's an information vacuum, people just write in whatever they like.

@libellule: So Mii Contest Channel is hardcore too. Ok. Whatever you say.
Yeah, Second Life is casual. Were you trying to prove something with it.

Full lineup with Singstar, the new eyetoy game, LBP, Home, EyePet and their sequels. Soon Killzone 2 will be cancelled for Buzz.
Then you forgot all the shovelware and cheap PC and 360 ports.

i hate the casual market, i wanted the getaway *cries*

azrm2k said: libellule said: bdbdbd said: @Libellule: LBP=No need to create level ALL about creating a level and sharing it online = hardcore , LBP=Casual. Home=Do not fill the requirements of hardcore game, Home=Casual. Online community, online play, online purchase, online customization =  hardcore (as if Second life was casual lol) Eight Days=Abandoned for, EyePet=Casual.    Fixed.   By the same horrible logic Wii Sports with it's "intense leaderboards" and medals is hardcore!  OMG Nintendo isn't abandoning the hardcore!  They're secretly turning disabled grandmas and housewives into hardcore gamers!

No there abandoning the casual since its the first year with out a Mario Party...

 

Kyros said: 2- All those titles you mentioned? If we figure out the average amount of time between first hype and release i'd be shocked if it was under a year and a half. True but now they are coming. The first year was annoying because there was not much to play for the PS3. But the next year looks pretty amazing. Totally opposite to the Wii. The first 18 months had Zelda, Smash, Galaxy, Kart, Metroid, the next 6-9 months Nothing, nil, zilch. That's the difference Nintendo fired out of every barrel during the first year because they thought this was necessary to kickstart the Wii (which worked) Sony was too confident. Now the gaming pipeline is reversed.

 

Wow that right there is a perfect example of something going in one ear and out the other.  You definitely read what I wrote but didn't understand it at all, did you?

Saying Nintendo has nothing left is ridiculous because like I said they don't want to keep hyping titles for years.  2009 (when more than half the games you listed are coming out) is a complete unknown for Nintendo.  You look at that as them having nothing left which is ridiculous because they won't announce their '09 lineup until 09 actually starts.  The only reason they went ahead and announced Wii Sports Resort was to get the attention of mainstream press at E3.  They know the core gamers will listen to any random announcement in the middle of January so there was no reason to hype up their core titles then.

Infact i'm confident enough of this to make the following prediction:  Before GT5, which you yourself mentioned as an "upcoming title", comes out Nintendo will release Kid Icarus and at least one other first party Nintendo core game we haven't even heard about yet.

RolStoppable said: I don't know why you bring up Ubisoft here, what you are trying to prove here is that "Nintendo abandoned the hardcore" is true. Ubisoft is irrelevant. The definition of "abandon" is to give up something or to leave it completely behind. If there are still commercials for games like SSBB and Mario Kart Wii it proves that Nintendo still cares for the core market. The Wii Fit ad campaign is massive, yes. But the core games are still advertised and more importantly, they are still being made. Thus the term "abandon" doesn't match reality. What do the sales of Zelda, SMG, Metroid Prime, Mario Kart and SSBB prove? That Nintendo's core market is still as healthy as last generation. Actually the sales of all these games exceed the sales of the previous games in their franchises, so Nintendo's core market is doing even better than before. You are trying to prove that "Nintendo abandoned the hardcore" is true. Try again.

OK,

- Forget about abandonning since I used this word because you used it. After all, it is not what I want to show.

- About the sales of Zelda, SMG, MP : of course they are good and better than the last generation since they are released on the overhealthy, overhyped, Wii and not on the failling Gamecube !!! That is not my point. No need to bring it here.

- About Ubisoft, well, if the Wii was all about hardcore, they will made hardcore games on it. But it is NOT ! So they make casual games. Since the Wii is made by Ninty and since is supported by Ninty, the Wii is casual because Ninty want it to be casual. That is why talked about Ubi here.

- Ninty still make hardcore games but they dont push them as strong as they push their casual games. Their are going for the casual market whatever you think (or hope). In this purpose, they are focusing on making casual games more than hardcore games and others devs follow the same trend.

Conclusion : Sony is pushing their hardcore games on the front (see all their ads) while Ninty is more pusing (a lot more) their casual games because they want the casual market.

About Sony and the topic : they could cancel 5 hardcore games and make 5 news casual games, they will still look a lot more hardcore than Ninty...

libellule, waiting for Wiimusic and Nintendogs ...

Someone give this guy a shoulder to cry on. It's one game and you can't blame Sony for it.