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Viper1 on 27 August 2008
Impulsivity said:

Whats funny is TOSE made its name on Nintendo products. Its best known product is the Game and Watch series. They aren't some company with a heavy anti Nintendo bias by a long shot. Also they are not fully saying this for their own sake, they are not really a game developer like EA is a game developer. Rather they are a developer that people send ports and game requests to; which they make, often without credit.

In many ways TOSE is representative of the industry as a whole (outside Nintendo who obviously likes the way things are going). Nintendo systems have been the way they are now since the end of the SNES era. Noone ever makes significant money off of N64 and later Nintendo systems except Nintendo. If you look at the top 50 N64 and later games for Nintendo systems Nintendo games (and I'm including Rare games with Nintendo characters) account for over 80% of the best sellers. That is inverted for PS systems, which helps explain why everyone but Nintendo prefers Nintendo being the niche product instead of the dominant system. From the weird media Nintendo likes to use (gamecube disks, cartridges well past their prime) to the very different control schemes which are difficult to adapt to many types of games, Nintendo systems have to be the hardest to make a profit from if you're not Nintendo.

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My point is that if you check profits for all the major publishers right now, it will show you for many their Nintendo projects account for a higher margin of profits than received on the HD consoles which for many has resulted in heavy losses.

 

 



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Godot on 27 August 2008
Chrizum said:
colonelstubbs said:
Are any third part developers happy about the success of the wii?

I would say EA, Capcom, Ubisoft, Sega, SquareEnix and Majesco have all made a bigger profit from the Wii than from the PS3 or 360. Some of those developers fail to capitalize on it though (Ubisoft, SquareEnix, Capcom).

 

I agree that Capcom and Square Enix has supported well but not as much as they could have the Wii/DS. However, in SE case, they barely supported the Wii. Ubisoft is doing extremely well on the Wii so I won't say they don't capitalize on the Wii. They didn't take much risk but they are supporting the Wii properly.

It's funny because the 3rd party that supports the Wii are those that make the most money.



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Godot on 27 August 2008
Chrizum said:
colonelstubbs said:
Are any third part developers happy about the success of the wii?

I would say EA, Capcom, Ubisoft, Sega, SquareEnix and Majesco have all made a bigger profit from the Wii than from the PS3 or 360. Some of those developers fail to capitalize on it though (Ubisoft, SquareEnix, Capcom).

 

I agree that Capcom and Square Enix has supported well but not as much as they could have the Wii/DS. However, in SE case, they barely supported the Wii. Ubisoft is doing extremely well on the Wii so I won't say they don't capitalize on the Wii. They didn't take much risk but they are supporting the Wii properly.

It's funny because the 3rd party that supports the Wii are those that make the most money.



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vaio on 27 August 2008
Bored4life said:

Where's the world's smallest violin when you need it?

 

GoNintendo:

http://gonintendo.com/?p=53721

Full article here:

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19331

 

Yawn.

  here you go mate

 



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jake_the_fake1 on 27 August 2008

this article speaks the truth, thank god someone has the balls to write this.



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HappySqurriel on 27 August 2008

The Wii represents change in the system, and like all change there will be people/companies where the change is a positive, people/companies where the change is negative, and people/companies where the change is mixed or neutral. With this in mind:

  • The people/companies who see this change as a negative tend to be far more vocal that people/companies who see this change as neutral, mixed or positive.
  • Negative comments from a well known person/company (generally) make for more 'better' news, and are thus reported far more often by far more news sources.
  • Biased people (fanboys, bloggers, etc.) are far more likely to talk about why a system they dislike is bad than to talk about why the system they like is good, and this means that negative comments tend to survive longer on web forums/blog posts than positive comments.

Now, the change the Wii brings is fairly negative for some companies like Epic, id, Tose and (pretty much) every major company who has a financial interest in other companies having difficulties pushing the limits of graphical technology; the change the Wii brings is fairly positive for small(er) publishers and developers, or publishers and developers who are struggling, like Majesco, High Voltage, and Sega who can thrive on smaller development but would go bankrupt on the HD systems; and is a mixed or neutral for companies who can adequately adjust to most market conditions, like EA or Capcom.