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What a joke.

Apple recalled their Sony batteries, just like HP. There were a few other companies as well.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

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Yeah please close this thread, it just shows how truly mindless hate can really be. Why can't we all just get along and respect each other's consoles and be happy that people are having fun?



redspear said:
The reason is the same their was so much hate for Nintendo over the last ten years. Seriously after 10 years of having Sony and MS fans criticize Nintendo systems as kiddy systems I am sure their are many of them enjoying the spotlight now. However their is much nintendo hate among many PS3 fans and some 360 fans though it has been getting less and less as the Wii sells better. It is still the same as it was over the last ten years. However instead of Nintendo fanboys saying wait for game X it is now the Sony fans that and the Ninendo fans saying the exact same things to the Sony fans used to say.

Seriously fanboyism feeds fanboyism. I don't hate Sony in fact I would say the amount of Sony hate is aboutthe same as the amount of Nintendo hate tehre used to be.

Sony fans have nothing to do with sony!!!!

 

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Did Kwaad honestly say that he hates Nintendo because their goal is to make money? I had to do a double-take on that one. Not going to touch that further, I think it speaks for itself...  

Legend11 said:

Why do you criticize something that benefits the consumer?


I criticize because the business model Sony and Microsoft are using is a flawed one, plain and simple. In the long run, neither company will turn a profit; I decribed this in more detail in a post you can read here, if desired. Here's the (relatively) short version:

Pursuing market share at the expense of profit can allow a company to win one particular generation, without a doubt. The best example of this is of course Sony's runaway victory with the PS2 during the last (6th) generation of consoles. Now in some markets, you can use a market share strategy to establish a virtual monopoly, from which your position is so strong as to be unremovable. Microsoft's Windows operating system is a good example; even though we all know that the competitiors are much better, 90% of us are still using some kind of Windows OS because that's what most software requires. Microsoft pulled those shady market share tactics back in the 80s, and is still reaping the benefit today.

The problem for the console industry is that new systems are released about once every 5 years. And no matter how deeply entrenched one console may have been in the previous generation, it's a whole new ballgame every 5 years when the system wars start all over again. (The best examples being the 95% marketshare enjoyed by the NES, which was essentially halved by the Genesis/Megadrive, as well as the ongoing collapse of the PS2's dominance in the current era.) In the console industry, no matter how great your victory in one generation, you cannot carry that victory over into the next one. And for this reason, pursuing market share at the expense of profit is a losing venture, long-term.

I criticize because this is a stupid way to run a business. The Sony/Microsoft strategy only works if you can win a gigantic, PS2-level victory over your competitors, and in this industry, it's impossible to continue to do that over and over again. You're going to lose at some point, or at least win a less dominant victory. And when that happens, your company gets killed financially, in the mold of the XBox or PS3. Billions of dollars down the drain. Microsoft's lifetime balance sheet for the XBox line is now approaching 6 billion dollars in losses. From a financial standpoint, this is a dreadfully poor business! By the end of this generation, Sony's SCE won't look a whole lot better. These companies hide their horrendously bad records by leeching money away from other, profitable divisions of their corporations. The XBox has never been anything but a financial parasite for Microsoft. Are we supposed to praise these companies, for creating products that suck money away like a black hole? I certainly am not about to do so.

Notice I said nothing about the games on any of these systems. That's irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make; I simply want to look at the console manufacturers as corporate entities. And from that standpoint, the 360 and PS3 are dismal failures, even if their games turn out to be quite good (which I think that they are, actually).

Now, as far as the second part of that statement... do you really think that Sony and Microsoft are selling their consoles at a loss to "benefit the consumer?" That's nonsense. They don't care about me, the consumer, any more than Nintendo does - which is to say, not at all. These companies sell their product at a loss because that's the only way they can get even close to a mass market price for their systems. This notion that companies are somehow "helping" us by selling their systems at a loss does not make logical sense. This ascribes an objective value to each product, when in fact value can only be determined subjectively by each individual. In other words, Sony can scream about how great a value their PS3 is till the cows come home; I don't care if it is  "worth" $800 and being sold for $600, I'm still not buying it until the price comes down.

In the end, no one is "right" or "wrong" when it comes to setting a price in a free market. For some people, the PS3 may be a steal at its current price, and they are not "wrong" to say so. Heck, I paid $300 for a DDR dance pad - how ludicrous is that?  But it was a good value from my own subjective viewpoint, even if it would have been an insane luxury purchase for 99.99% of the rest of the market. If I criticize Sony and Microsoft, it's because their business models have set price points beyond where the market will allow them to turn a profit. They can claim that we're getting a great deal objectively on the component parts, but their products are failing to meet the subjective criteria of most potential buyers. And if you can't turn a profit from your product, losing billions of dollars in the process, well, that's a dumb way to run a business.

A long answer, but you asked a complicated question.



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ckmlb said:

It's the trendy thing to do now: Hate on Sony. Join the crowd, kick Sony while it's down.

People like winners so suddenly Nintendo can do no wrong even though like 3 years ago, the company was in terrible shape.

That's for the masses, but a lot of the people on this site are Nintendo fanatics. Miyamoto is their god and anything Nintendo makes or is made on a Nintendo console is good while everything else is either bad or unoriginal or whatever...

You can see that from the game ratings: Resident Evil 4 on GC and Wii is rated very very high, but the same game on PS2 is rated shit.

They won't even play anything on other consoles even if they wanted it because it's not on a Nintendo machine. So they automatically crap on it. Soul Calibur IV not coming to Wii? It's shit now.

God of War = mindless repetitive button maching, Project Hammer = innovative action.

Pay 50 bucks to do some brain teasers = good price.

Mario Party 8, same game with Wii controls tacked on now = great.

Red Steal = amazing. Why? Because it's on the Wii.

Why are MS and Sony adding online stuff to their consoles? But when Nintendo adds a weather channel and a news channel (cause you can't watch the television) it's great.

And so on and so forth.

 


 Ehh I think you like al other die hard Sony fans make it to easy for you. I as a Nintendo fan was angry thatthey didn't realese Soul Calibur 3 on GameCube, but I didn't want the game enough for buying a new consol. I do agree that the rankings might be screwed, and we are discussing that in another thread, but do you think that those of us that is Nintendo fans and post on this forum actualy gives bad ratings for games because it is on a Sony consol? I actualy gave SSBM a 6, because I think it is over hyped. A decent game not more than that.

On the other hand I am a big fan of Mario Party, I usualy borrow 5 or 6 from one of my friends when we have party at my place. Some people like the mini game marathon Mario Party is, so why wouldn't we like it when it gets some new minigame? I mean we have bought tons of those games each year without Wiimote.

I have seen plenty of people disliking Red Steel on this forum so I think you are really silly here, some like som don't. Many people responded positive on the rumors for a Red Steel 2, and I can understand why, if I understand it correct the major problem was some lack in controlls if they can fix that it might be a great game. For that matter we can say that the Sony fans isn't much better when hyping Killzone 2 a sequal that also get pretty bad reviews.

The same thing can be said about Brain Training Wii, I didn't like that it was sold for full price. Some of us said that it was one of the reason why it sold so bad, but as usual Sony fans belives that we Nintendo fans belive that everything Nintendo does is the best. 

Ehh so far I haven't seen a single user complaining over that Microsoft or Sony is adding stuff to there online service. I have seen people complaining over that you have to pay for Live (mostly from Sony camps), I have seen people say that they don't think Home will sell consols. BUT I have never seen a single Nintendo fan saying that Sony or Microsoft is doing the wrong thing in the internet. Heck many of us belive that the friend cod system is retarded and have stated that.

God of War, hmm let me see I might say one N-fan that didn't like God of War, and he/she didn't say much about Project H.A.M.M.E.R either so I don't know what you got that from. 

 As an end to this reply I just want to add: Stop seeing everything black and white for god sake. We Nintendo fans doesn't hate Sony, we just doesn't play your games. Simply as that.



 

 

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leo-j said:
Wow, this has turned from the question why so much hate for sony, to I HATE SONY CUZ THEY SUCK thread. Not one person hear has a very good reason to hate sony . All they say is becuz of fanboys or some other stuff, the fanboys have nothing to do with the company what do you think sony pays them to talk shit?! Fanboys were created when another person mocks another persons console, if you have an xbox and the guy says it sucks you start to defend it, the guy has a gamecube and you say it sucks to defend ur system, you my freind are a fanboy. They have nothing to do with any of the three companies, but because of fanboys, ps3 sales are low.

because of fanboys the ps3 sales are low? I would say that because of lack of sony die hard fans (like nintendo had the faithfulls during the dark age (gamecube era)) it is selling badly. You can't say that it is N-fan or Xbots fault that Sony doesn't sell well.



 

 

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Legend11 said:
Yeah please close this thread, it just shows how truly mindless hate can really be. Why can't we all just get along and respect each other's consoles and be happy that people are having fun?

 Actualy I agree, but I think what some people here has tried to point out is that we are not hating Sony. We are just looking at the sales of the PS3 compared it with the GameCube and realised that PS3 is in the same situation that the GameCube was with really bad hardware sales, and no in house software Nintendo released during that time could save the PS3 so why whould sony (which only has GT, as their own system seller) just turn the table around?  It is simply as that, we Nintendo fans have been in the situation Sony is in now, and we understand the problem PS3 is in, therefore we don't see that is easily will turn everything around win. It is as simple as that we don't belive in PS3, we are not saying that it is a bad product only one that is to expensive for the market.



 

 

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HappySqurriel said:
 

Chairman Michael Dell has denied that the way Dell constructs its PCs played a part in a spate of battery-related fires. He instead laid the blame entirely with the manufacturer of the battery cells, Sony.

"We know exactly why there was a problem. Sony had contaminated its cells in the manufacturing process," Dell told ZDNet UK at the company's Technology Day event here on Tuesday.

Dell refuted reports by Sony that the way his company integrates the battery cells into its PC designs made its machines more susceptible to problems than devices from other computer makers.

"The batteries were contaminated and were no good no matter what you did with them," Dell said. "We know the batteries, under rare circumstances, catch fire, (which is why we recalled them)."

Dell recalled the batteries last month after several of its laptops overheated and caught fire. Other manufacturers are known to use Sony battery cells, but only Dell and Apple Computer have been affected by any problems."

 

http://news.com.com/2100-1005-6115710.html

 


What on earth to you expect him to say, that it was all our fault? The fact of the matter is, Dell laptops caught fire, and the Sony ones didn't, do you really expect Sony contaminated their own products?



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I was not liking Sony about a year ago, but now I'm really respecting them alot more as a company. They have definitely turned around their company alot in the last year. Their entire product line is becoming higher build quality and frankly, the PR has been much more level headed.

I think it was a great idea for them to get rid of Ken Katuragi, as he was doing more harm for the cause than good with his blind comments.

If Sony got anything right with their PS3 launch, it has to be their hardware. Extremely well built hardware and even has alot less problems than my NDS. The PS1 and PS2 had design problems, but the PS3 really doesn't.


As far as screwing the consumers, M$ and Nintendo had done it in the past just as much. I think many on this board are too young to really remember the Windows ME era, and people hated M$ alot back in those days. Now with Vista, they maybe seeing that again. If I'm correct, I think they will stop supporting XP in 2008.

If I'm right, Nintendo has been in trouble in Europe for overpricing. Back in the early days, Sony liberated Final Fantasy in America. With Nintendo it was...

Final Fantasy IV = Final Fantasy II Easy Version
Final Fantasy VI = Final Fantasy III
Bar = Cafe
Beer = Coke
Having a child out of wedlock = Having a child after marrying (FF6).
And many more.

A bit more info here...
http://www.filibustercartoons.com/Nintendo.php


Before the internet was mainstream, Nintendo could get away with a whole lot. But it does also have to do with no rating system previously, and the Prudent aspect of American culture.

I've had every single Nintendo Console except for the Wii so far. I may get banned for saying this but I do think the Wii is extremely overrated. I just feel like I will be waiting in line and spending $250 for a controller and an upgraded Gamecube. I've played the Wii alot at my friends' places alot, and it's definitely my last console to buy. I'll probably get it just because I have 4/5 of the consoles already - PSP, NDS, PS3, Xbox360, and well I need to finish the job. It would be good when I have people getting drunk at parties. But as far as line-up goes in the next year, there are about 8 games I want for PS3, 5 for Xbox360, and 2 coming for the Wii.

Nintendo keeps repeating the same thing over and over - "We are innovative. We are for everyone." But I have the feeling they are completely writing off the people who want the theater experience in their games.



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robjoh said:
leo-j said:
Wow, this has turned from the question why so much hate for sony, to I HATE SONY CUZ THEY SUCK thread. Not one person hear has a very good reason to hate sony . All they say is becuz of fanboys or some other stuff, the fanboys have nothing to do with the company what do you think sony pays them to talk shit?! Fanboys were created when another person mocks another persons console, if you have an xbox and the guy says it sucks you start to defend it, the guy has a gamecube and you say it sucks to defend ur system, you my freind are a fanboy. They have nothing to do with any of the three companies, but because of fanboys, ps3 sales are low.

because of fanboys the ps3 sales are low? I would say that because of lack of sony die hard fans (like nintendo had the faithfulls during the dark age (gamecube era)) it is selling badly. You can't say that it is N-fan or Xbots fault that Sony doesn't sell well.


Well if your a normal casual gamer, you hear news like the ps3 lost all exclusives, the ps3 is a grill and a paper weight, would make you not want a ps3, therefore one less buyer would mean one less ps3 sold. The price is 80% of the reason why people dont buy ps3's and the other 16 percent would be games and the other 4 would be becuase of negativity from people.



 

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