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JaggedSac on 25 August 2008
shio said:
@Jaggedsac

Again, there is no data from digital distribution, so we'll never know which had better.

One thing for sure, COD4 is still full price on PC, and that is uncanny for a 10 months old PC game. COD4 was 11th on NPD's July PC sales, and is currently 5th on Steam and Direct2Drive.

 

Well, I would think a guy who has access to the company's financial records would know what he is talking about.  That article is only 2 months old, so CoD4 may have picked up some Steam(get it) and gone past the 360 version but I doubt it.  I do not foresee the man from Infinity saying these things because of some agenda.

EDIT:  I didn't realize it was you again. LOL.



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Ronster316 on 25 August 2008
Torillian said:
You think they'll be first next gen eh? Well that's certainly possible considering I know nothing about the prospects for the next gen. But I wouldn't count out Nintendo so easily, usually consoles going in with momentum have to do something specifically to screw it up, or the competition has to do something amazing. I'm not so sure either will happen next gen, but perhaps the next one after that since that seems to be the common trend.

I don't see how MS could disrupt Ninty or how Nintendo could screw up so that the 1st spot could be open next gen though.

I have no illusions that Sony will win next gen, I think they'll start selling the PS4 at a profit from the get go and have a moderate success such as the Gamecube, nowhere near it's competitor but still making money and keeping their loyal fanbase happy with first party titles and a few 3rd parties. and then we'll see after that.

 

 I'll go off topic slightly here so i apologise........... in my ideal world there would be NO SONY and NO MICROSOFT in the gaming world............ they are both corporations who got in to this buiseness because they have big wads of cash and because they knew they could enter this market and make a profit......... do i rate either microsoft or sony as gaming talents? HELL NO........ Nintendo and Sega OWN both microsoft and sony....... can anybody honestly say that microsoft and sony are gaming innovators? i dont think so, they both got where they are in the gaming business today because of thier FAT WALLETS, not their gaming genious......... when the history books are written Nintendo and Sega will always be seen as two of the greatest gaming hardaware and software makers of all time, i own a 360 yes, but its only due to my resentment towards how sony got in this business, will sony ever have memorable characters like mario, sonic, link, akira, bowser, knuckles, kirby, shinobi, you know what im getting at,  i want talent to defeat money , i want nintendo to win this war because they came in to the gaming business for the right reasons (to make games and entertain people)

 

ok, sonys most famous games (in house) Drakes fortune, resistance, warhawk , ratchet and clank

 

now nintendos....... mario, zelda, super smash brothers, mario cart, kirby, donkey dong ect

 

now segas....... sonic, shinobi, shenmue, virtua fighter, virtua cop, streets of rage ect ect ect

 

see a pattern developing here

 

nintendos and segas 1st party games blow sonys out of the water and even until armegeddon they will continue to do so

 

hence i like talented people (sega, nintendo) and i hate talentless moneybags people (sony, microsoft)



JaggedSac on 25 August 2008

^^Yeah, Sega has been pumping out some real winners lately.



Torillian on 25 August 2008

Team Ico, GT, Kratos, Twisted Metal

Yes Sony got into the gaming world using their money, but I question if anyone could have gotten into the world dominated by Nintendo and Sega without throwing around some cash. But, that's neither here nor there. The meat of the discussion is that Sony's first parties have made some great games. SotC was by far my favorite game of the last generation. Do they have characters as iconic as Nintendo or Sega? No, but Nintendo has kept and fosterred those icons, Sony tried that and it just didn't work. Having gaming icons doesn't make you a talented company, it means that you have characters that worked well and you decided to use them in a large number of games.

Nintendo has made fantastic games, and I have no problems with them being denoted as the best first party company around, but don't just throw out some PS3 titles and call Sony's first party offerings crap because they aren't iconic.



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Ronster316 on 25 August 2008
JaggedSac said:
^^Yeah, Sega has been pumping out some real winners lately.

 

 And whos to blame for segas bad games? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm sony? money will always prevail over talent, i'll tell you what, name sonys top 10 IN HOUSE developed franchises and i assure you 95% of non sony or sega fans will tell you that Segas top 10 RAPES sonys............ sony looked down upon gaming before thier once ex president called ken kutigari came to them with the hardware and software ideas he stole from nintendo........ despite sony been more successful for you to be-little segas name is an embarassment, sony will never be half the gaming company sega once was

 

would this be a fair top 3 sony franchise? ratchet and clank, drakes fortune, resistance yeah?

 

sorry dude but Shenmue, sonic (back in the day) and virtua fighter,shinobi, streets of rage ect ect RAPE sonys games......... if you want to make a top 10 i would welcome it , but sony will lose



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Torillian on 25 August 2008

again....stop taking games that were creating this gen and calling them Sony's top franchises.

GT, Team Ico, God of War.

That would be their top three in my mind at least.



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Ronster316 on 25 August 2008
Torillian said:
again....stop taking games that were creating this gen and calling them Sony's top franchises.

GT, Team Ico, God of War.

That would be their top three in my mind at least.

 

 ok, name a top 10 then............ or is that too difficult?



cwbys21 on 25 August 2008
Ronster316 said:
Torillian said:
You think they'll be first next gen eh? Well that's certainly possible considering I know nothing about the prospects for the next gen. But I wouldn't count out Nintendo so easily, usually consoles going in with momentum have to do something specifically to screw it up, or the competition has to do something amazing. I'm not so sure either will happen next gen, but perhaps the next one after that since that seems to be the common trend.

I don't see how MS could disrupt Ninty or how Nintendo could screw up so that the 1st spot could be open next gen though.

I have no illusions that Sony will win next gen, I think they'll start selling the PS4 at a profit from the get go and have a moderate success such as the Gamecube, nowhere near it's competitor but still making money and keeping their loyal fanbase happy with first party titles and a few 3rd parties. and then we'll see after that.

 

 I'll go off topic slightly here so i apologise........... in my ideal world there would be NO SONY and NO MICROSOFT in the gaming world............ they are both corporations who got in to this buiseness because they have big wads of cash and because they knew they could enter this market and make a profit......... do i rate either microsoft or sony as gaming talents? HELL NO........ Nintendo and Sega OWN both microsoft and sony....... can anybody honestly say that microsoft and sony are gaming innovators? i dont think so, they both got where they are in the gaming business today because of thier FAT WALLETS, not their gaming genious......... when the history books are written Nintendo and Sega will always be seen as two of the greatest gaming hardaware and software makers of all time, i own a 360 yes, but its only due to my resentment towards how sony got in this business, will sony ever have memorable characters like mario, sonic, link, akira, bowser, knuckles, kirby, shinobi, you know what im getting at,  i want talent to defeat money , i want nintendo to win this war because they came in to the gaming business for the right reasons (to make games and entertain people)

 

ok, sonys most famous games (in house) Drakes fortune, resistance, warhawk , ratchet and clank

 

now nintendos....... mario, zelda, super smash brothers, mario cart, kirby, donkey dong ect

 

now segas....... sonic, shinobi, shenmue, virtua fighter, virtua cop, streets of rage ect ect ect

 

see a pattern developing here

 

nintendos and segas 1st party games blow sonys out of the water and even until armegeddon they will continue to do so

 

hence i like talented people (sega, nintendo) and i hate talentless moneybags people (sony, microsoft)

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Torillian on 25 August 2008

sigh....I'll name a top ten, but it'll just be a smashing together of opinions that will get neither of us anywhere.

God of War
GT
Team Ico
Socom
Everquest
Wipeout
Medievel
Twisted Metal
Locoroco
Uncharted

edit: I'm fairly proud that I only had to name two franchises with only one iteration so far for a top ten.  Sigh....I am quite the fanboy I suppose.



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JaggedSac on 25 August 2008

Twisted Metal is pretty damn awesome.