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You're 19 and you didn't pick your candidate on coolness, and you play Halo; what makes your situation/opinion/feeling any better than anyone else?



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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gebx said:
halogamer1989 said:
@DKII Voting stats disagree. It is the middle aged and older folks usually who are more informed. Granted this year more have shown support for both candidates (and don't even try to spin it towards Obama guys) and even Ron Paul, Clinton, and Barr who either aren't running and will not win respectively, but it is historically proven that the youth demographic IS minimum.

 

I'm not sure if "informed" would be the right word to describe those who re-elected Bush Jr.

 

 

ZING!

 



steven787 said:
You're 19 and you didn't pick your candidate on coolness, and you play Halo; what makes your situation/opinion/feeling any better than anyone else?

No I don't play Halo as of late--that's just my tag.  I picked him on policies.  By the way steve, I am a McCain staffer.  See any other VGC members who are 19 and do that?  Zing back.

Besides, check my profile for my qualifications and don't spam on my wall.  I don't feel like wasting bandwith cleaning up sh(t.

 



halogamer1989 said:
steven787 said:
You're 19 and you didn't pick your candidate on coolness, and you play Halo; what makes your situation/opinion/feeling any better than anyone else?

No I don't play Halo as of late--that's just my tag. I picked him on policies. By the way steve, I am a McCain staffer. See any other VGC members who are 19 and do that? Zing back.

Besides, check my profile for my qualifications and don't spam on my wall. I don't feel like wasting bandwith cleaning up sh(t.

 

Kind of inappropriate language to represent your candidate. If you are a staffer you should be a little more humble and not sound like the people that you created this forum to complain about.

 



halogamer1989 said:
@Dodece Shame on me? I'm just trying to say that sometimes people make quick, irrational, and uninformed decisions. that's all. And the last time I checked the US WAS a representative Capitalist democracy. China is a Republic and things are just swell there, right?

 

To both of you the US started off as a Republic but over the years became a Democratic Republic or as some people call it a Representative Democracy (which is a type of Republic but not the type that most people think it is).

 

For more info read the article America: Republic or Democracy:

http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html 

The article is very informative of what type of government we have and how it has evolved over the years. It also goes into detail about many misconceptions that people have about it.

 



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thats democracy for ya



 nintendo fanboy, but the good kind

proud soldier of nintopia

 

I know WiiBox. Homely folks to rural expansion, cities, Tammany Hall, proportional representation, etc. Althought the Declaration states no mention of democracy, they inherently mean it as they quote ancient and rennaisance scholars, ie Montesquea, etc. Btw, steve I stand by my statement (and your right, I didn't pick him on coolness but a grasping of the nature of his cause.



bobobologna said:
I completely agree that a lot of younger people tend to vote for the "popular" guy without knowing all the facts/stances they have on various topics.

It cracks me up when my friends (21-25 yrs of age) complain about taxes and then talk about how great Obama is. And it's the BEST when my friend who works for a company that profit shares, complains about taxes and how much his profit share gets taxed, and then talks about how much he wants Obama to win. I can't wait to see how much they complain about taxes if Obama wins. Makes me wonder if they know ANYTHING about politics.

This statement makes me wonder if you know ANYTHING about politics:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/06/comparison-of-t.html

The Tax Policy Center has published A Preliminary Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates' Tax Plans.  Here is the abstract:

Tax and fiscal policy will loom large in the next president's domestic policy agenda. Nearly all of the tax cuts enacted since 2001 expire at the end of 2010 and the individual alternative minimum tax (AMT) threatens to ensnare tens of millions of Americans. While a permanent fix palatable to both political parties has proven elusive, both candidates have proposed major tax changes. This report describes how we performed our modeling and analysis, outlines the major tax proposals, and discusses the implications of their policies for the revenue raised, taxpayer economic activity, and the distribution of the tax burden.

Here is the bottom line:

If enacted, the Obama and McCain tax plans would have radically different effects on the distribution of tax burdens in the United States. The Obama tax plan would make the tax system significantly more progressive by providing large tax breaks to those at the bottom of the income scale and raising taxes significantly on upper-income earners. The McCain tax plan would make the tax system more regressive, even compared with a system in which the 2001–06 tax cuts are made permanent. It would do so by providing relatively little tax relief to those at the bottom of the income scale while providing huge tax cuts to households at the very top of the income distribution.

Here is Howard Gleckman's perspective on the Tax Policy Center's Tax Vox Blog:

In the first detailed analysis of the Barack Obama and John McCain tax plans, the Tax Policy Center has run their proposals through the Big Computer and discovered that their schemes are, well, painfully predictable. Each would raise the national debt by trillions of dollars. Obama would use the money to provide modest tax cuts to low- and moderate-income people while imposing stiff tax hikes on the very wealthy. McCain would cut taxes a bit for the working-class and a lot for the rich.

Obama, who casts himself as an out-of-the box, post-partisan politician, has put together a fairly conventional Democratic tax plan. Despite McCain’s recent claim that Obama would raise taxes for all, it turns out that middle-class families would do better under Obama (who would cut their taxes by $1000 in 2009) than McCain (who would cut them by only $300). Obama’s generosity comes at a price, however, He’d raise the national debt by a staggering $3.3 trillion over the next decade, and that includes more than $900 billion in promised revenue raisers that TPC could not verify.

McCain, who once opposed President Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cut as a give-away to the rich, but now embraces them, has designed a plan more consistent with the New McCain than the old. It is as Republican a plan as Obama’s is Democratic. The top 20% of taxpayers get a 3% reduction in after-tax income in 2009, while the lowest-earning 60% would get less than 1%.

So unless you are in the top 20% of earners (I believe it is around $250,000 a year), you would be better off with Obama in the White House.



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JaggedSac said:
It doesn't matter who you vote for. They are all puppets to the highest bidders.

This is where this topic reached its conclusion...

 



That's a bad argument TheRepublic.

Under Obama the poor would be paying less of the overall tax burden.

However they would be paying more real dollars... also you've got the national debt... and the whole thing is off topic anyway.