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rocketpig said:
Pristine20 said:
rocketpig said:
Pristine20 said:

A) I think you overestimate the threat of other countries to the US. I don't think any country in their rightful mind would launch an attack on the USA...only terrorist groups like Al Qaeda. Maybe you're worried about Russia. Take note that WE are the ones provoking them by building missile detection facilities next to their borders (Poland) and providing advanced weapons tech to their neighbors (Georgia)...who's provoking who?

B) The US needs to stop wasting money trying to act as world police. If we don't stop borrowing money from China, no other type of change whatsoever would save us from economic catastrophe. We need to stop trying to ensure that we are the only superpower and make sure we help our own citizens first. We can't stop the Chinese. We're only helping them.

I couldn't even get a loan for my senior year at school but thanks to a partial scholarship and my six-month internship, I can still pay my tuition. I hate to think of the mess I'd be in if I wasn't on this internship.

 

After stating how you're against oil drilling in the US, I'm going to take this moment to point out how completely contradictory paragraphs A & B really are.

You don't want the US to be world police but you want us to keep buying oil from other countries. You don't want to drill within our borders but you don't seem to mind if other countries ruin their own environments while watching American jobs disappear that could be invested in our own oil industry. You want to make sure our citizens are secure, but you're willing to keep watching over 70% of our oil money leave the country to go to whatever tyrant has control of the well that day.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Sacrifices must be made in one area or another.

Actually with regards to energy, I don't mind seeing the oil prices stay high while we invest in alternative sources of energy and actually build half decent subways and public transit systems. In the meantime we can buy from the old oilfields instead of drilling new ones. Besides why is Exxon and the rest of the oil industry making so much profit while the rest of the US is falling apart?

I certainly donit like the idea of another oil industry insider (Palin) holding an executive position. Bush and Cheney were enough. Besides, America is govered along party lines. Bush has shown us what the GOP is all about. I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't enjoy it one bit. He lasted 8 years for that matter because of the same old gimmick issues. looks like we're going for another round.

Its funny how Putin accused the US of orchestrating the Georgia-Russia war to benefit one of their political parties ( a 3 a.m call to scare Americans right?). I'm wondering which party that was.

Okay, so you're perfectly fine with money possibly going to rogue states whose motives are, at best, uncertain. You don't mind if the environment is ruined so long as it's not yours. Check. You also don't seem to mind that oil prices are high and are going to go even higher due to China's overwhelming growth, even if it means an ever bigger burden for the average American. We won't see the results of alternative energy for at least a decade. It's good to know that you're willing to "take one for the team" and possibly push the country into serious problems for the forseeable future while we adjust to the energy crunch.

Palin is hardly an "oil insider". Isn't her husband just a contractor for BP? From what I've read of her, she's aggressively pushing new methods of oil extraction that are less damaging to the environment, albeit at a higher cost. That doesn't sound like an oil stooge to me.

And your continual comparison of John McCain to George Bush is tiresome. McCain is nothing like Bush and he's known for seeking out powerful Democrats to get something done, something that little Texan tyrant would never dream of doing. Let's give that line a rest, shall we?

Yeah...he was known...back then when he was somewhat of a centrist but now in he's desperate attempt to secure the conservative base, he has totally lost the qualities that made him a maverick. He actually voted against Bush's tax cuts for the rich saying he couldn't support them with a clear conscience. Whats he saying now?

As for the oil wells in other countries, they've already been dug. We cannot change that. But we can resist the idea of drilling new ones.

If we reduced our dependence on oil by actually taking steps in that direction and stopped exporting our jobs to them, China's growth would be less of a threat to us.

 



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super_etecoon said:
Barrack Obama was trying to get Alaskan electoral votes? Why would he bother with that? What do they have? Three?

Also last time i checked an overwhelming majority of the population in Alaska is for drilling in Alaska.

Really i don't get why this stuff isn't states choice anyway... it is the States land...

 



akuma587 said:
rocketpig said:

Reading more about her, I'm really starting to warm to this choice. She's fought to open the ANR while keeping it environmentally feasible, she's known for fighting excessive spending, and she has a reputation for doing what she feels is right over what the party might want her to do.

Plus, she sounds like a real firecracker who isn't afraid to bust some balls to get what she wants. I like that in a woman. I'm still not sold on that Pro-Life bullshit but I think McCain may have gotten my vote back. Time will tell.

 

Mark my words, if McCain is elected to office and one of the liberal judges on the Supreme Court dies in office/retires, McCain will do everything in his power to appoint someone who will overturn Roe v. Wade.  If he does, Roe v. Wade will be overturned within 1-5 years of that person's appointment.

At least the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate, which will make the battle tougher.

Which will be not much since the Democrats will as you mention... have a vast majority everywhere.



rocketpig said:

Did you really just compare Kennedy to Lincoln? Seriously?

Kennedy's most famous political move was slumping into the back seat of a convertible. Lincoln saved the Union.

 

 

 Cuban Missile Crisis ring a bell?



McCain has been toeing the GOP line in an election year. That's pretty much SOP. Obama, on the other hand, has been toeing the Democrat line his entire career.

As for alternative energy sources, exactly how quickly do you expect this to happen? It will be a decade or more until we see any changes start happening. And, let me guess... You're against nuclear power, aren't you?




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ManusJustus said:
rocketpig said:

Did you really just compare Kennedy to Lincoln? Seriously?

Kennedy's most famous political move was slumping into the back seat of a convertible. Lincoln saved the Union.

 

 

 Cuban Missile Crisis ring a bell?

Oh yeah, that time the Russian dude pounded his shoe on the table. Hilarious.

...

Again, seriously?

 




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rocketpig said:
mrstickball said:
rocketpig said:

Reading more about her, I'm really starting to warm to this choice. She's fought to open the ANR while keeping it environmentally feasible, she's known for fighting excessive spending, and she has a reputation for doing what she feels is right over what the party might want her to do.

Plus, she sounds like a real firecracker who isn't afraid to bust some balls to get what she wants. I like that in a woman. I'm still not sold on that Pro-Life bullshit but I think McCain may have gotten my vote back. Time will tell.

She is the closest thing (I think) we're going to get to Ron Paul for awhile...So be glad. Hopefully you like Ron Paul :)

At any rate, her policies are sound, and she's trying to do the economically right thing, while respecting everyone and everything when possible. I know some argue that McCain is trying to appeal to the female base, but he's not.

Go read palinforvp.com - There's nothing on that pro-palin website that has "oh, she'll get female votes!" Most of their focus is on cutting pork barrel spending, and ending government corruption. That's something we should all want.

I've been a registered Libertarian for a decade so yeah, you could say I like Ron Paul (though he's a little batty even for my tastes).

 

I don't like Ron Paul.  Because he's a super libertarian in everything.... except gay marriage.  I mean... I can't stand people who are all "We shouldn't make it illegal to stop people from doing things to themselves or to other consenting people... except gay marriage."

It's just... I can't process it.

 



ManusJustus said:
rocketpig said:

Did you really just compare Kennedy to Lincoln? Seriously?

Kennedy's most famous political move was slumping into the back seat of a convertible. Lincoln saved the Union.

 

 

 Cuban Missile Crisis ring a bell?

Yeah...I'm fairly certain maverick McCaim would have gotten us into nuclear war with Russia back then with all his anti-Russia talk. Russia warmed up to the west in recent years. I can't understand why NATO needs to keep expanding and why the US must build bases everywhere. I thought it was because of the old Soviet Union?

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Kasz216 said:
rocketpig said:
mrstickball said:
rocketpig said:

Reading more about her, I'm really starting to warm to this choice. She's fought to open the ANR while keeping it environmentally feasible, she's known for fighting excessive spending, and she has a reputation for doing what she feels is right over what the party might want her to do.

Plus, she sounds like a real firecracker who isn't afraid to bust some balls to get what she wants. I like that in a woman. I'm still not sold on that Pro-Life bullshit but I think McCain may have gotten my vote back. Time will tell.

She is the closest thing (I think) we're going to get to Ron Paul for awhile...So be glad. Hopefully you like Ron Paul :)

At any rate, her policies are sound, and she's trying to do the economically right thing, while respecting everyone and everything when possible. I know some argue that McCain is trying to appeal to the female base, but he's not.

Go read palinforvp.com - There's nothing on that pro-palin website that has "oh, she'll get female votes!" Most of their focus is on cutting pork barrel spending, and ending government corruption. That's something we should all want.

I've been a registered Libertarian for a decade so yeah, you could say I like Ron Paul (though he's a little batty even for my tastes).

 

I don't like Ron Paul.  Because he's a super libertarian in everything.... except gay marriage.  I mean... I can't stand people who are all "We shouldn't make it illegal to stop people from doing things to themselves or to other consenting people... except gay marriage."

It's just... I can't process it.

 

Ditto. Does not compute.

 




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rocketpig said:
ManusJustus said: 

 Cuban Missile Crisis ring a bell?

Oh yeah, that time the Russian dude pounded his shoe on the table. Hilarious.

...

Again, seriously?

 

Just shows your lack of understanding.  The Cuban Missile Crisis was the closest America came to nuclear war with the Soviet Union.  Our military leaders were demanding action as they were preparing a naval blockade and airstrikes into Cuba all the while both sides had our nuclear missiles on standby.

Somehow, John F Kennedy saved us.  He not only saved us, he saved the world.