Show me the numbers, it's way passed the supply constraint argument now.

Any sales-based arguments you use to classify the 360 as a failure (btw, what a trollish sounding way to say it) can be easily used against the PS3 with at least twice their strength.

So if you want people to give the PS3 credit, while still being faithful to reality, you have to give the 360 even more credit, sorry to inform you...

well if you dont take the numbers literally whats the point in having them. Its not a big difference by any stretch of the imagination but the ps3 according to vgchartz sold more this week than the 360 in other regions. 

People are all worked up over 1st, 2nd, 3rd place. I dont think there will be any "losers" this console war. I read a prediction somewhere that each console will probably own at least 30% market share each by the time all this smoke clears.  Doesnt seem unreasonable.

Even though the Gamecube and Xbox(1) came in 3rd and 2nd place I dont think either one would be considered a failure even though Sony flat out dominated last time.

From reading alot of posts here it seems like people just enjoy watching giants tumble from the top, and people who supported those giants love to rally them back to the top again. Why? Just play your games and enjoy them.
I guess I never understood fanboyism.

I dont own a PS3 right now, but I will once there are some games for it (that I want) and the price is lower (this is inevitable). Im sure there are millions out there thinking the same thing.

As for the topic the PS3 might be selling badly now compared to the expectations, but just give it some time. I think things will even out later.

Good for its price point.

Interesting, just looking into it the Dreamcast only has data for Japan ...

(we used to have data for America which demonstrated my point)

Anyways ... I won't be able to demonstrate my point but consider that after (approximately) 12 months on the market Sega shipped nearly 9 Million consoles and they did not overship nearly as badly as Sony has so far.

 Yet you still have no link nor data to prove that...

You left a whole bunch of spaces at the bottom of your post.  If everyone was so special that they did that, the forums would be difficult to read, get my drift?

How do we define losers?  Since this is business and everyone's goal this generation is to make lots of money, the only winners can be those who generate a profit.  And the biggest winner will be the one who generates the most profit.  Right now, Nintendo looks to have that locked up.

Sony and Microsoft are currently each billions in debt due to their respective consoles.  Microsoft is carrying the debt of the original Xbox as well, as they're supposed to be profitable.  Both companies have substatial challanges in front of them before they can stop losing money on a quarterly basis, and they'd both have to be making a lot of money for many consecutive quarters before they can be profitable.  Ultimately, anyone who finishes this generation in the red will be a loser by default since they will have failed to attain their #1 goal.

There will be secondary ways to define who won -- who has the most or gained the most market share, for example.  However, one way *not* to measure anything is in terms of revenue, since profits are the goal and not revenue.  So if someone is saying, "company X generated Y revenue", they may be trying to draw attention away from monetary losses or marketshare losses. 

Is PS3 REALLY selling that badly?

i only say yes, i can talk about many arguments in pro and cons of the PS3 present and future, but many arguments of the videogames forums are denied by the reality, for example the HD penetration and the Bluray success, many people think that this factors will do the PS3 successfull , but the HD help the games or the movies?, because now in 2007, in the last chart in Japan, the country with more HD penetration (or one of the countries with more HD penetration) the game in top 1 "Super Robot Wars OG: Original Generations" for ps2 sold 312,619 in his first week with gba graphics (this game is a remake of two gba games http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Robot_Wars_Original_Generations ) or appearance of supernintendo graphics, and many PS2 and DS games sell very good with poor graphics in this country with a big HD penetration.

Aww Im glad you think Im special.

I "get your drift" but I dont really care (haha, people actually still say that? lol). Too bad that spaces bother you. Oh well.

Im not sure why the spaces are appearing. Im not adding them, and they are not in my preview window. (Using Iceweasel 2.0.0.4 on Debian Etch) 

I agree there is a giant financial machine powering this whole console war, its driven by dollars and not game reviews. In my post my definition of loser was not a financial one, but one that Im sure most gamers  (not just the ones who visit this board to track numbers) would probably relate to as "the console that isnt dominating". I just think that in that respect, this war will be much closer, regardless of revenue.