I borrow a lot of games from friends or buy them second hand. Am I a bad person?

Ebgames make money off of something that was sold already. It's like burning copies of the original games and selling them. The money they pay people for their used games is like them buying blank discs for them to burn on. So yeah, reselling used games can be like pirating. The company who made that game never sees any of that money.

And the best part is that they made billions of dollars and nobody is accusing them of being immoral thieves that deserve to burn in hell. Thank you for making the point I was trying to make in a similar thread in the PC section. I dont understand why people are trying to defend companies that put blame on their bad sales on piracy. Instead of loading down their games with DRM they should add features that would discourage piracy: ability to play the game without the disc (a huge deal for me), online, a game that people can justify spending 50$ on.

I have burned a few games but the strange thing is that I can't never ever seem to play those games more then 1 hour or so before throwing them away.

Beacuse of that I buy every game now, it feels so much better to actually owning the games.

I think stealing from individuals is evil and stealing from corporations deserves somewhere between a slap on the wrist and a congratulations, depending on which corporation it was.


If you steal some ones and zeroes over the internet from multimedia conglomerates, I don't care.

If you steal a car or a laptop, eat shit and die.

If you steal a $100 pair of Nikes, fuck yes, you're a hero. That money wasn't going to the starving slaves in Indonesia anyway.


Corporations don't have morals or even bodies. Their job is to take as much money from us as possible. Our job is to give them as little money as possible, if any at all. If they're not going to be held to the same standards as individuals are, then they shouldn't get the same moral high ground when they're being robbed blind. Fuck 'em.

the number of GBA and Snes Roms i've downloaded in the past are numerous......

Companies are the individuals and individuals the companies.  Corporations for the most part don't have morals but that's largely because our population doesn't have morals.  I mean two threads going on simultaneous where people are arguing that pirating isn't really wrong.  I mean really where do we go from here? 

Basically if businesses don't make money they can't pay their employees.  I'm from around the Toledo, OH area and Dana Corporation just announced today that 3,000 layoffs were occuring.  They haven't been profitable for a while and essentially you can't run a business if you can't pay your employees.  But who pays for their poor performance (or management issues)?  It's the employees.  In this market they are going to have serious trouble getting positions. 

Oh, but yes, all the profits they steal from people for their stockholders?  Enron is a good example of a company completely focused on profits and deserved to go down right?  http://www.usatoday.com/money/energy/2002-02-04-enron-remedies.htm  People lost everthing in Enron.  People that didn't know what was going on and didn't make the decisions.  If you think most management in the country is corrupt, fine.  But typically when you steal from a company (even in piracy) one of three things happens.

1.  A worker loses their raise/gets laid off.

2.  Prices are raised and the consumer pays the difference.

3.  Some retired stockholder has to work a little bit longer to pay for retirement.

The CEO and President will still be drining their European sportscar and getting six figure bonuses.  They make the decisions, they aren't going to take a paycut.

Laughable.

If you steal, your stealing from someone.

If you steal a person's laptop, you can put a face and a name to it. Shoplift, and you can put a store, and group of people on it. Steal from a corporation, and your stealing from even more people. Regardless of how you want to justify it, your hurting people. The difference is that instead of stealing $1000 from 1 person, your stealing $1 from 1000 people. It's the same friggin' thing.

Go ahead and praise pirates, but the next time you throw down $50 or $60 for a DRM-laden game, you have pirates to thank for those prices, and you better not whine about the pricetag.

And FYI: If your still taking the road that corporations are faceless, therefore able to be robbed, in America we have something called "donations" and "charitable giving" in order to lower the companies tax burden, they give away billions of dollars a year to the poor and helpless in the country. But guess what? They can't do that because your robbing them of cash. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and the like have given more money to charity and helped more people than you have, yet you take money that could be given to the needy because "it's a corporation". Grow up, and grow a pair. If you want something, buy it. Why is stealing a car any different than stealing a DVD? Your still robbing a programmer or developer of their art form.

You're smart enough to know how?  You mean you know how to use Google?  Way to go chuckles.  I'm still at pointing but you must be a damn genius to grasp clicking.

And I hate to break it to you but game developers do not live like rockstars.  Programmers get paid about as well as other programmers do (which is good, but nothing too special), artist get paid slightly worse but still liveable, and designers get paid even less.  That $60 you pay  (well, everyone else) is spread very thin.

So yes, you have yet another lame excuse.  The people that make those games are actually working for their money, you're being a little snot on the internet who thinks they're clever.  When you work 60 hour weeks on a slow week come back and tell me you deserve the game for free.

Oh, and a little bit of FYI info:

When you pirate, you are hurting developers and those that work at video game companies. Guess what? Shams and myself work at videogame companies. Our paychecks are directly effected by it. I'm not arguing against piracy because of that, but just as an FYI, you do hurt people because of it, other than the average paying gamer.