Lol nobody will admit that MS paid for all these games. Though if Square said it it would be somewhat credible. This MS puppet holds no clout.

De85 said: Jordahn said: If I were SE, I'd also consider the 360's userbase. With the direction where the sales of the main Final Fantasy titles have been going, could anyone blame SE for doing this? Final Fantasy titles have dropped in sales while the cost of development has only risen while also considering the fact that the combined userbases of both 360 and PS3 does not equate to the PS2 when FFXII was first released. Also, JRPG have taken a back seat to games like sports and FPS's while they also have to combat the casual market with games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Reality speaks here.   Quoted so everybody can read this post again.  So far it's made more sense than the rest of the thread, combined.

Sense? Why not compare early FF games that released on console, like FFVII and FFX. PS2 were 6 years old when FFXII got released.....

 

Auron said: Lol nobody will admit that MS paid for all these games. Though if Square said it it would be somewhat credible. This MS puppet holds no clout.

 

 You expect Wada to admit that he's sitting on some serious M$ $$$?

don4t think so money is the real reason

Yojimbo said: De85 said: Jordahn said: If I were SE, I'd also consider the 360's userbase. With the direction where the sales of the main Final Fantasy titles have been going, could anyone blame SE for doing this? Final Fantasy titles have dropped in sales while the cost of development has only risen while also considering the fact that the combined userbases of both 360 and PS3 does not equate to the PS2 when FFXII was first released. Also, JRPG have taken a back seat to games like sports and FPS's while they also have to combat the casual market with games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Reality speaks here.   Quoted so everybody can read this post again.  So far it's made more sense than the rest of the thread, combined.   Sense? Why not compare early FF games that released on console, like FFVII and FFX. PS2 were 6 years old when FFXII got released.....

Now if I'm wrong with anything I'm about to say, please correct me because I hate to be a bearer of wrong info. IIRC, FFX sold 8 million copies while FFXII only sold 5 million. Not only did FFXII sold less than FFX, the PS2's userbase had grown by then (duh!) resulting in less copies sold. But also this was after Squaresoft was absorbed by Enix because of increased production cost. I believe these are facts. My prediction is that FFXIII will be a commercial failure compared to previous installments on BOTH PS3 and 360 platforms. And this is coming from a die-hard FF fan from the NES to the PSOne days. Personally, I think this game will SUCK! Just a gut feeling here. And even if it doesn't, I don't see it retaining anything "Final Fantasy" to appeal to the base fans especially when you consider past sales. Yes, games need to change over time but when the deviation is so far, you need to garner to a new audience which is going to be hard to do when you consider the long history of the "Final Fantasy" name amidst the present competition and changing mindset.

erikers said: Skeeuk said: erikers said: OMFG I thought they paid them billions? Who could have EVER guessed??   they have obviously paid for the simultanious release though. Oh OBVIOUSLY. And by obviously (a word that should only be used when something is a fact) you have complete knowledge of this. But of course it's just your opinion, so it's irrelevant when you act like it's a fact.

 

No we don't know it for sure, but it makes logical sense

SE's rationality for going Multi-Platform was to reach the widest HD install base possible. If that is the case, then it shouldn't matter if the game is a simultaneous release or not. They could release the PS3 version, then 3 months later release the 360 version, (as an estimation of differences in completing the 2 versions) and still get the maximum sales potential. A simultaneous release doesn't help SE in anyway, it helps Microsoft.

It's also hypocritical for them to release FFXIII simultaneously, but have TLR timed-exclusive and SO:TLH Exclusive with a chance of porting "some time down the road." So unless SE just likes to screw with Sony, money/agreements happened at some point.

 

Auron said: Lol nobody will admit that MS paid for all these games. Though if Square said it it would be somewhat credible. This MS puppet holds no clout.

Yes but if they did "moneyhat" FFXIII then more then likely they wouldn't even make a point to debunk it.  They would just never bring it up.  Did they ever come out and deny any other type of compensation for others games that featured timed exclusive?  No, because it look like they did "moneyhat" a few games before hand.  It actually makes perfect sense why SE would make the game multiplat if you look at the situation with some common sense and without bias.

I hope this will squash a few fanboy talking points but more then likely only for the sensible few.  The hard edge insecure fans will likely ignore any evidence to the contrary no matter how convincing.

 

 

Jordahn said: Yojimbo said: De85 said: Jordahn said: If I were SE, I'd also consider the 360's userbase. With the direction where the sales of the main Final Fantasy titles have been going, could anyone blame SE for doing this? Final Fantasy titles have dropped in sales while the cost of development has only risen while also considering the fact that the combined userbases of both 360 and PS3 does not equate to the PS2 when FFXII was first released. Also, JRPG have taken a back seat to games like sports and FPS's while they also have to combat the casual market with games like Guitar Hero and Rock Band. Reality speaks here.   Quoted so everybody can read this post again.  So far it's made more sense than the rest of the thread, combined.   Sense? Why not compare early FF games that released on console, like FFVII and FFX. PS2 were 6 years old when FFXII got released.....     Now if I'm wrong with anything I'm about to say, please correct me because I hate to be a bearer of wrong info. IIRC, FFX sold 8 million copies while FFXII only sold 5 million. Not only did FFXII sold less than FFX, the PS2's userbase had grown by then (duh!) resulting in less copies sold. But also this was after Squaresoft was absorbed by Enix because of increased production cost. I believe these are facts. My prediction is that FFXIII will be a commercial failure compared to previous installments on BOTH PS3 and 360 platforms. And this is coming from a die-hard FF fan from the NES to the PSOne days. Personally, I think this game will SUCK! Just a gut feeling here. And even if it doesn't, I don't see it retaining anything "Final Fantasy" to appeal to the base fans especially when you consider past sales. Yes, games need to change over time but when the deviation is so far, you need to garner to a new audience which is going to be hard to do when you consider the long history of the "Final Fantasy" name amidst the present competition and changing mindset.

FFXII sold less because it came out so late in this gen almost same time with the nexgen consoles. Usually the first FF sell the most and the last ones sell less. I'm not going to discuss quality of the game. Its is the first FF on nextgen consoles and it is coming out on huge 2x userbase and there is alot of hype behind it.(What I believe). There is no right and wrong here.

 

From a business standpoint it makes a lot of sense to make it multi-platform. The game has been in development for a long time and has certainly cost them a ton of money. For a long time there was the idea that the PS3 would be the super dominant console of this generation, but that obviously didn't pan out. Now there is a huge cost sunk into a project that might clearly won't be able to make the returns originally planned. At this point you have to start crunching numbers and seeing if you are getting the return on your investment you really need to make the project a success.

At this point multi-platform release starts looking very attractive. You can target more than 50% of the market and stand a good chance of seeing a great return. So SE goes and starts to strike a deal with Microsoft. Ahh but here there is trouble. Microsoft wants to utilize the game as a system seller and not just a last minute port. So they pressure SE into a simultaneous release with a combination of threats and sweet talk I imagine. SE promises a simultaneous release in the western markets because it will take them a while to localize it anyways so why not have the coders do some work. This all makes way more sense to me then Microsoft trying to buy a game from a series that is almost exclusively single platform.

Yojimbo is right, the first FF on a console usually sells the most. You also need to consider that by the time FFXII came out, even more people had modded systems and were playing burned games.