Loud_Hot_White_Box said: MrMarc said: And good luck on getting those PS2 owners to upgrade when they've already gone to the Wii and are wondering why they wouldn't be able to play their PS2 games on the PS3...   I've seen surveys to the effect that a higher PERCENTAGE of PS2 owners said they'd be brand-loyal and buy PS3 than the percentages of XBox and Gamecube fans that said they'd be brand-loyal to MS and Nintendo, respectively.  PS2 just had the widest market. The PS2 owners haven't bought a next-gen console en masse, yet.  PS2 owners can't play their PS3 games on Wii, either.  ;)

Yeah...i want links to these surveys you claim you've seen. What was the size of the surveyed sample? WHEN was this survey administered? (pre-current gen?)

 

ymeaga1n said: Loud_Hot_White_Box said: MrMarc said: And good luck on getting those PS2 owners to upgrade when they've already gone to the Wii and are wondering why they wouldn't be able to play their PS2 games on the PS3...   I've seen surveys to the effect that a higher PERCENTAGE of PS2 owners said they'd be brand-loyal and buy PS3 than the percentages of XBox and Gamecube fans that said they'd be brand-loyal to MS and Nintendo, respectively.  PS2 just had the widest market. The PS2 owners haven't bought a next-gen console en masse, yet.  PS2 owners can't play their PS3 games on Wii, either.  ;) Yeah...i want links to these surveys you claim you've seen. What was the size of the surveyed sample? WHEN was this survey administered? (pre-current gen?)

 

Definitely current gen. He only just made it up for gods sake

Cypher1980 said: ymeaga1n said: Loud_Hot_White_Box said: MrMarc said: And good luck on getting those PS2 owners to upgrade when they've already gone to the Wii and are wondering why they wouldn't be able to play their PS2 games on the PS3...   I've seen surveys to the effect that a higher PERCENTAGE of PS2 owners said they'd be brand-loyal and buy PS3 than the percentages of XBox and Gamecube fans that said they'd be brand-loyal to MS and Nintendo, respectively. PS2 just had the widest market. The PS2 owners haven't bought a next-gen console en masse, yet. PS2 owners can't play their PS3 games on Wii, either. ;) Yeah...i want links to these surveys you claim you've seen. What was the size of the surveyed sample? WHEN was this survey administered? (pre-current gen?)     Definitely current gen. He only just made it up for gods sake

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168835/intensely-loyal-playstation

 

"Sony has come under fire for the delivery delays and high prices of its PlayStation 3, but "intensely" loyal existing PlayStation owners are more likely to upgrade to the console than defect to rival devices from Microsoft or Nintendo.

A survey of 1,725 consumers by ABI Research found that the percentage of PlayStation 2 owners showing interest in a next-generation console is lower than that of other console owners.

However, their "intensity of loyalty" to Sony products was higher when considering a next-generation purchase.

The poll suggested that 60 per cent of those who own a PlayStation 2 and are considering a new console are likely to buy a PlayStation 3.

This compared with 45 per cent of Xbox owners looking to buy an Xbox 360, and 46 per cent of GameCube owners looking to buy a Wii.

"We believe that Sony's much larger installed base, combined with higher loyalty among current generation owners, could translate into significant gains for Sony if it can convert these prospective owners," said ABI Research director Michael Wolf.

"Microsoft and Nintendo, while still seeing strong overall loyalty, do not enjoy the same intensity."

Nearly a fifth of survey respondents said they were likely to buy a games console in the coming year, compared with 28 per cent of active gamers.

"Not surprisingly, the interest in the new generation of consoles grows significantly among the already converted," said Wolf.

"While we think that the market of console owners will likely expand beyond its current bases, we believe that the market for the next one to two years will be driven by current console owners upgrading to the new generation.""

 

http://www.abiresearch.com/abiprdisplay.jsp?pressid=764

 

"A new survey has shown that despite efforts by video game console manufacturers to expand their reach to non-gamers, interest in next-generation consoles is largely centered among those who are current console gamers.

When ABI Research surveyed 1725 consumers about their interest in buying a new game console, a total of 18% said they were likely to buy one in the coming year, compared with 28% of active gamers. Interest rose even more dramatically when asking those who currently play on a console, with 42% of PlayStation 2 owners, 55% of Xbox owners and 54% of GameCube owners indicating they were likely to buy a new console.

"Not surprisingly, the interest in the new generation of consoles grows significantly among the already converted," says research director Michael Wolf. "While we think that the market of console owners will likely expand beyond its current bases, we believe that the market for the next 1 to 2 years will be driven by current console owners upgrading to the new generation."

While the overall percentage of PlayStation 2 owners showing interest in a next-generation console today was lower than that of other console owners, their intensity of loyalty to Sony products was higher when considering a next generation purchase. The research showed 60% of those who own a PS2 and are considering a new console likely to buy a PS3, which exceeded the 45% of Xbox owners looking to buy an Xbox 360 and 46% of GameCube owners looking to buy a Wii.

"We believe that Sony's much larger installed base combined with higher loyalty among current generation owners could translate into significant gains for them if they can, in fact, convert these prospective owners" said Wolf. "Microsoft and Nintendo, while still seeing strong overall loyalty, do not enjoy the same intensity."

The survey results are contained in ABI Research's research brief, "Video Game End-User Perceptions: Entering the Next Generation", which explores current video game players' preferences for platforms, explains game genres and identifies those who play video games today. It forms part of the Consumer Electronic Research Service, which also includes Research Reports, Research Briefs, Market Data, ABI Insights, and analyst inquiry support.

Methodology: data contained within this report is derived from a Web-based survey among a nationally-balanced and demographically-representative sample of 1,725 online consumers (age 18 and older). The consumer survey was conducted in October 2006. "

If for two successive generations you have the most popular console by far, then that's going to affect people's perception of the next generation and skew the results of the poll. Perhaps people expected the PS3 to race ahead, but that hasn't happened. There are also things that have happened since the poll that can change people's minds, such as the pricing of the three consoles, so I wouldn't read too much into it if I was you.

Sony is starting sound like Microsoft last gen, talking about graphics. Have they learned nothing from decimating the competition last gen? I guess not.

ymeaga1n? Cypher1980? Yoohoo. Anybody there?

horriblebastard said: I've seen surveys to the effect that a higher PERCENTAGE of PS2 owners said they'd be brand-loyal and buy PS3 than the percentages of XBox and Gamecube fans that said they'd be brand-loyal to MS and Nintendo If for two successive generations you have the most popular console by far, then that's going to affect people's perception of the next generation and skew the results of the poll. Perhaps people expected the PS3 to race ahead, but that hasn't happened. There are also things that have happened since the poll that can change people's minds, such as the pricing of the three consoles, so I wouldn't read too much into it if I was you.

 

The success of PS1 and PS2 "skewed" the poll by making PS2 owners respond that they were less likely to get a PS3 in the near term, because there were still so many PS2 games on the horizon (and yeah, because PS3 was initially too expensive for mass market).

My recollection of the survey was meant to suggest that the "racing ahead" hasn't happened YET.  I doubt PS3 will race ahead of Wii, but still, the PS2 fanbase is pretty loyal and to many of them, a gaming console is a "Playstation."

Tailgunner said: ymeaga1n? Cypher1980? Yoohoo. Anybody there?

There are so, SO many low-post Sony basher accounts recently.

Starcraft is probably several of them.

Can anyone check the IP addresses of posts?  On other messageboards I know forum members have sleuthed out poster identities.

 

Uncharted does have a longer story and much more diverse gameplay than Gears of War.

ITT: Sony may not be winning, but its games are better.

I don't mean to sound crass but if this mentallity is going to set the tone for the Sony forum shouldn't we just call it the "Sony Support Group" instead?

I mean, this wreaks ominously of the mentallity that Nintendo diehards exhibited last generation in trying to convince themselves the Gamecube was still the superior console no matter how grim things became.

Maybe the PS3 really does have the better games, but does it need to presented in such a tranparently compensatory manner? By all means enjoy the console you've chosen, but if you know your company is making poor P.R. points, don't bring yourself down with them by defending those points or shaping your reasons for liking the console around them.