I see it selling a little over what Lost Odyssey did when it came out. The RPG userbase is higher now but I don't see them all flocking to this game when Square Enix has games on the horizon.

How is not liking one odd looking cell shaded game "Fanboy gibberish".  When i liked another odd looking cell shaded looking game.  I just found Tales bad in comparsion to the Enternal Sonata demo.  I also found the CoD2 demo bad on XBL, but i better not say that, you might think its fanboy gibberish for some reason

Well sir, before I made my comments, I did a little research into your posting history.

I remembered getting into an argument with you way back when, and I also remember you saying something audacious about the Nintendo Wii. At that time I researched you and found you were a Sony fanboy, please don't take offense, I find all posters on this site can be classified as some sort of "fanboy" it's just an inconvinient truth.  Thats the first thing wrong, i'm not a "Sony fanboy" I don't care about Sony or the system and i could careless which system i owned aslong as it had the games that interest me.

So, I went into your posting history again, like I said, to see if any of your recent posts were pro 360. I found one.

I only played the 360 demo of the last MoH game and it was really good, the gameplay and the atmosphere was amazing. If they can continue with the great gameplay and get a right tone for the atmosphere then this could be a really great game.

However, I also found this post:

MS has you guys waiting just aslong for games, Splinter cell, Alan Wake, Huxley, Halo Wars.  These games have been touted for over two years now.  Plus whatever other games they show or announce then never bring to market.    This post was a response to a poster, and you're taking it completely out of context.

Of course the phrase "you guys" stood out for me, so I went a little farther back, researching you(I won't reproduce the results here, as at time of said research, those posts went undocumented), and I saw a tale of someone who had been emboldened and embittered since the big E3 splitup where fanboys were tragically thrown into hardcore mode with the announcment of FFXIII and the bitter feelings that followed.  LoL, you think i could give two shits if a game went to the 360 too.  You could take all the games and put them on the 360 and i would not care.

You're still as much of a Wii hating foeboy as ever, but now you've become diehard in your Sony comments.  You're right here, i hate the wii and everything it stands for.  And my comments have always been the same.

So I made a presumption, of course.

First let me say this. There is no doubt that most things you, or I say is "fanboy gibberish." We're both fanboys. In fact, I've noticed your PSN tag in your sig, but not your 360 tag.  I don't own a 360 but i play the 360 all the time, but when i made my gamertag i made it an offline one, not knowing how to make a normal one.  My account has about 1750 points.  I've also played oblivion for 95hours, beaten lego star wars complete saga, and a couple other games before i made my gamertag.

However, the two assertions you've made in this post raise the gibberish level to new heights. Let's examine them.

"I think you could be right, this was by far one of the worst games i have ever seen, the demo on XBL was just really bad.  Now eternal Sonata had a great demo and the game looked great, and just look how bad that game sold."

Lets take the bolded part first, and remember we're operating under the assumptions that you are a Sony fanboy, and you are well aware that this title is a 360 exclusive.  I don't care about 360 exclusives.

"This was by far one of the worst games i have ever seen" Not "played" mind you, but seen. That statement impies two things if taken literally. Either you've never seen many games, or you've got bad tastes in them.

So, I'll assume you were embellishing for effect. I do that often as well.  Okay then, it was not the worst game, as i have played/seen a lot of games that are worse.  But it was still bad.

Next, "eternal Sonata had a great demo" implies that you haven't actually played the game. It's average. However, that begs the question of why? Is it because you simply don't like RPGs, can't afford it, or choose not to purchase it at this time due to some unknown factor. You speak very positively about the game. Now lets assume you realize that soon it's getting a PS3 release. This only furthers my suspicion of your true motivations.  I have seen somebody play the 360 demo and i thought the demo was a very good.  I like some RPG's but not all, as i'm playing BoF2 on the GBA right now and i love it.  i dont plan on buying the game for the PS3  or the 360, it was a good demo, but from what i had read the game is 20hours long, but i would buy it from Blockbuster if it was on sale for under $20.

Now, referring to Rock_ons ludcrious prediction of 200,000 worldwide which he obviously posted for flamebait, you said:

"It sounds like the right thing to post in a thread asking about sales for this new Tales game."

You actually tried to flame me for having the audacity to call him on his flamebait fanboyism, as if his prediction was valid. This proves either one of two things. You are hoping this game will fail, while internally realizing that it won't fail as hard as that, or that you are simply ignorant of videogame sales in general and make vast absolute mispredictions. Of course there is always the possibility that you disagree with the man, and are simply sticking up for his rights, but I dismissed that instantly due to my pre-notions about you as a poster, and how agressive your response was to me.  Flame you? you read too much into posts on forums and always assume people are out to get you or whatever, you do it in every thread, then come back with 4 pages of postings like what you did now.  I don't care what this game sells.  But i think it will sell above 200k but less then half of what SimExchange says, and i posted that in this thread already from what i remember.

Realistically, lets be honest here. I can't prove without a shadow of a doubt the motivations behind your actions,What actions? but I can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the reasons you claim this game is "the worst game ever" and "will sell under 200,000 LTD" is sony fanboyism. "Again i'm not a Sony Fanboy" More specifically, the game in question is a 360 exclusive, which automatically makes the game enemy number one to you. I Don't care what system the game is for, it does not interest me at all, and i thought the game looked and played bad So, you've attacked it, and tried to flame me,  I attacked nothing, just posted my opinion on the subject, and nobody flamed you. simply because you thought you could get away with it. get away with what, you are just losing it, maybe all the time on the gamespot forums has messed with your mind.You thought I had no case to present. case for what? you lose it in just about every thread and you turn them into a shitfest for some unknown reason. You thought wrong. You should have realized that with as much of this dribble as you post on these forums, You must be talking about your posts. somebody would catch on to your obvious and well known game that you try to run on 360 exclusives. That must be why i own all the Halo games but don't own or have an xbox at my place.  The halo series(xbox exclusive) is one of my most favorite series of all time.  i have played the Story modes countless times on all levels of difficulty.  That must be why Oblivion is one of my most favorite games was 360 exclusive when i played the game and i never bought the PS3 version.  That must be why Bioshock is one of my most favorite games, was 360 exlcusive when i played and beat the game.

You want me to be honest here? I'm not certain you're being honest with us. Unless you indeed still maintain that ToV's demo is one of the worst you've ever seen, and it won't sell 200,000 copies, which is entirely your opinion, and right to say.

However, it is my right to give proper background and to question those comments.

Next time you address me, "which if you'll recall I asked you to never do again quite a long time ago" i'll address whoever i want whenever i want on these boards. please do so in a more civil and less hostile manner. Less hostile? more civil?  Again you have no idea what is going on, i have no idea what goes on in your mind but it can't be healthy. I'm really a friendly guy. I just don't like it when I get in court and you keep telling me "haha, you can't prove it" You really need to pay attention to what people say, instead of trying to think eveyone is out to get you. when it's obvious to everyone. I don't have to prove it. This isn't a court of law. I've let my opinion be known here. Most people will probably agree with it. That's as far as I need to take it. Thank you sir. Let this be the last word on the matter for all our sakes.

On a side note. My gamertag is Zenfoldor. Add me.  Posted above, my gamertag is not online, and i will never pay to play online