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Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:

@Pristine20: The very first Wii commercial had footage of Metroid Prime 3. No matter how much we want to cherry pick, Nintendo isn't focusing only on the casual (although marketing for the casual is more important for obvious reasons).

You're still ignoring the best presented arguments, while changing the focus of the debate from post to post. Believe whatever you want to believe.

 

 

 That was "the very first". They've figured out where the money really is now.

"Believe what you want to believe" is not the best way to concede an arguement. My points haven't been debunked because they seem pretty on target except someone reveals something I haven't realized.



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NJ5 on 30 July 2008

I said that because you're ignoring the best arguments me and HappySqurriel have presented. You haven't acknowledged market saturation, development budgets and other things which are important to this debate. Changing the focus of the debate in every reply doesn't help either. It gets tiring and leads us nowhere.



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Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:

I said that because you're ignoring the best arguments me and HappySqurriel have presented. You haven't acknowledged market saturation, development budgets and other things which are important to this debate. Changing the focus of the debate in every reply doesn't help either. It gets tiring and leads us nowhere.

 

Market saturation? There can be a variety of casual ware just like hardcore titles. "Wii fit" is not the same as "wii sports" and they are both different from "Barbie goes fishing" just like SSBB is different from Metroid and Mario.

The dev budgets is exactly why I said companies would be taking the shortcut by pandering to casuals. Those games don't take long to make and they generate huge profit margins even if they don't sell a million copies. What do you think the 40 wii/DS titles EA is developing are? How could they be developing so many titles at once? I think you know the explanation since you've acknowledged how the "snobcore"  love extreme development budget/cycle-type games.

If they could release 40 abominations of shovelware in less time it takes to make a hardcore game and generate HUGE profits, where do you think the industry is headed. Nintendo is the current champion of the industry and they lead by example. Wii Music easily comes to mind. Despite all the complaints about that game on this site, watch it breeze past a million copies in no time.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

kira hibiki on 30 July 2008
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:

@Pristine20:

You're afraid for the industry, as opposed to the current status quo of HD console development, in which most third parties can't make a profit, let alone a healthy profit?

Don't worry, as soon as more third parties start taking the Wii seriously, the industry will look much healthier.

 

I guess I should have said I'm afraid for myself? Because If thats where the industry is headed, I guess I'll have to find a different hobby as sooon as gaming becomes about wii fit, wii sports, mario party, we ski, etc as these are the kinds of titles that generate the most profit.

 

Get a gaming PC and you will be fine.



NJ5 on 30 July 2008

I think we've all made our points clear. The best way to settle the debate is to wait and see how the market evolves.

I think the market will evolve healthily in both directions - there will be games for everyone to enjoy, and with luck more game industry jobs are created in order to account for market expansion. Hopefully, the audiences aren't even mutually exclusive - I do enjoy certain casual games, and I'm sure many so called "casual gamers" will also buy the so called "hardcore" games.

You think almost every developer will turn into a shovelware/casual/casual-shovelware making machine with very few hardcore games in between.

Let's wait and see who's right.

 



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Hawkeye on 30 July 2008

This makes me mad. 6 Months before the Wii came out I wanted to buy Nintendo stock, but my money was (an still is) tied up in CDs :(



Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
NJ5 said:

I think we've all made our points clear. The best way to settle the debate is to wait and see how the market evolves.

I think the market will evolve healthily in both directions - there will be games for everyone to enjoy, and with luck more game industry jobs are created in order to account for market expansion. Hopefully, the audiences aren't even mutually exclusive - I do enjoy certain casual games, and I'm sure many so called "casual gamers" will also buy the so called "hardcore" games.

You think almost every developer will turn into a shovelware/casual/casual-shovelware making machine with very few hardcore games in between.

Let's wait and see who's right.

 

Fair enough.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 30 July 2008
kira hibiki said:
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:

@Pristine20:

You're afraid for the industry, as opposed to the current status quo of HD console development, in which most third parties can't make a profit, let alone a healthy profit?

Don't worry, as soon as more third parties start taking the Wii seriously, the industry will look much healthier.

 

I guess I should have said I'm afraid for myself? Because If thats where the industry is headed, I guess I'll have to find a different hobby as sooon as gaming becomes about wii fit, wii sports, mario party, we ski, etc as these are the kinds of titles that generate the most profit.

 

Get a gaming PC and you will be fine.

I just don't play PC games. Keyboard and mouse are not for m. If there's absolutely no other way though, I'll either spend more time dating to occupy myself or give in and actually try PC gaming. So far, there isn't really anything that interests me PC-wise but that may change.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Naum on 30 July 2008
Pristine20 said:
The casual movement really pays off...I'm afraid for the industry now

 

You do know that if it weren't for "Casual games" the future Hd games wouldn't even see a release date since the companies doing the HD games would go bankrupt.



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celine on 30 July 2008
Pristine20 said:
NJ5 said:
Pristine20 said:

"snobcore" : you know, I was stalking this thread waiting for someone to describe me with that word. Seems like a significant part of nintendo fanboy lingo these days.

To answer your point, I never said that casual games shouldn't be made but when you look at financials like EA's and their CEO's most recent rant, you know its wii-blown full steam and don't expect games like Battlefield to be coming to wii from them, its only going to be casual pandering all the way. Like you explained, these generate a healthy profit, hence, thats the quickest way to please investors because EA has nothing else to fall back on unlike Sony and M$.

Why would the core market have died off with the ps or ps2? Sure, there were casual titles, but there were also so many titles that I don't remember anytime in the reign of the ps/ps2 that core gamers were eagerly waiting to hear the announcement of another core title like what the wii is having right now? You see the difference. I for one am a HUGE JRPG fan and back then, I couldn't even keep up with the sheer amount of them that were released in that period. To this day, I'm still catching up!

I'm sorry but saying that ps/ps2 = wii is EPIC FAILURE. They just aren't the same. I don't remember anyone even been worried about casual games during that period because they just weren't as significant as they are now. The fact that all gamers talk about now on sites like this is the influx of casualware shows that there's trouble looming. Nintendo's E3 was enough to show what the heavyweights are all about now.

 


You pull an EA/Battlefield, I'll pull an Activision/COD5. That kind of cherry-picking won't get us anywhere.

Even EA is making decent games for the Wii, and judging from their recent declarations they'll invest more on the Wii from now on. If they're stupid enough to think they can make casual games and nothing else, more power to them. The concept of market saturation will bite them in the ass sooner or later, the same way it would have bitten big developers if they did the same during PS/PS2.

With Wii's market expansion, more studios will be created to account for the expansion in the market.

Even if selling chocolates is more profitable than selling rice, I can still find rice everytime I go to the supermarket. Selling rice is still profitable, the same way it was before chocolate was discovered. The supermarket has enough shelves to carry both chocolates and rice.

 

the ps/ps2 gens proved that point but many wii fans keep blaming HD consoles for 3rd party woes. I keep seeing posts stating "if only they focused more on the market leader..." or  "the big-budged obsesses "snobcore"..."but the thing is, if the wii is going to get support, its most likely casual ware. Why? This is the way nintendo advertises the console. Their adverts show the whole family playing wii sports never their 13 year old son playing Zelda.

And yet Nintendo when explaining both DS and Wii ( before and after Wii launch ) never used the terms hardcore gamer or casual gamer. Only disruption

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