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Kasz216 said:
EdGuila said:
HeroeDeLeyenda said:
Main difference between PSN and LIVE is content
PSN= 7eleven
LIVE= Walmart

So you get ~200 demos over my ~100 demos and ~300 game trailers versus me ~200 game trailers....clearly worth $70 right??? Nah....

The biggest component of online "Gameplay" is the same.

 

From Siouxen earlier in the thread.


"I wasn't saying that it had more online games to make it sound better, in truth the services are pretty much identical except in the games offered. What I was pointing out is Microsofts structure allows a company that normally could not provide online modes to do so as they don't have to support it Microsoft will. That was a big point of Xbox live, and one reason Microsoft can justify charging."

So... yeah the "online gameplay" component isn't the same.

 

Well my cousin has COD4 and so do I and when he comes over he doesn't seem to notice anything wrong and when I go over I don't seem to notice anything worth paying $70 for.

 



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PS3 library:  Motorstorm, Assasin's Creed, Orange Box, Uncharted:DF, Metal Gear Solid 4, Resistance:FOM, Rachet & Clank Future:ToD,

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EdGuila said:
Kasz216 said:
EdGuila said:
HeroeDeLeyenda said:
Main difference between PSN and LIVE is content
PSN= 7eleven
LIVE= Walmart

So you get ~200 demos over my ~100 demos and ~300 game trailers versus me ~200 game trailers....clearly worth $70 right??? Nah....

The biggest component of online "Gameplay" is the same.

 

From Siouxen earlier in the thread.


"I wasn't saying that it had more online games to make it sound better, in truth the services are pretty much identical except in the games offered. What I was pointing out is Microsofts structure allows a company that normally could not provide online modes to do so as they don't have to support it Microsoft will. That was a big point of Xbox live, and one reason Microsoft can justify charging."

So... yeah the "online gameplay" component isn't the same.

 

Well my cousin has COD4 and so do I and when he comes over he doesn't seem to notice anything wrong and when I go over I don't seem to notice anything worth paying $70 for.

 

Do you come over with games that aren't online on PSN? The fact that your only comparing basically COD4 pretty much means you don't get it. Read the quote and what it's saying.

Also you keep quoting $70 when an Xbox live membership doesn't cost $70. It costs $45.

More demos, more games, more players, free streaming movies if you have a netflix membership... and some other stuff make quite a convincing deal for some people.

It's obvious that if they were both free XBL would be leaps and bounds ahead of PS3. So it's really just a matter of how much you are willing to pay for better quality.

So 360 is better then PSN.  It's obvious.



For what XBL already does and what it promises to do in the future, it's simply better. In general, it has more content and better implementation into game titles. The Netflix deal is going to be huge and may finally prompt me to join Netflix.

If you're going to use "screaming kids" as a reason to hate Xbox Live, then I simply don't consider your opinion to be reliable. All the console networks have screaming kids on them. You know what I do to combat that issue? I form teams only with my friends. That way I don't have to listen to it. I play BF:BC online almost strictly in squads consisting only of my friends. I approach Freeburn mode on Burnout Paradise the same way.

And finally, I don't get the "lag" comments about the blades. I think the interface is pretty responsive most of the time unless I'm getting lag from my internet connection which is sometimes a little spotty. And if you have trouble figuring out the organization of the blade system on Live, you're probably either younger than 8 or older than 80. Honestly, is it that hard to figure out? The answer is no.




rocketpig said:
perpride said:
I like PSN because its easy to use and has specific game servers dedicated to specific games. It also doesn't hurt that I don't dish out over a hundred bucks a year for it.

We also got Metal Gear Online and Warhawk, two of the best online games I've ever played.

Um... Okay? If you're paying over $100/year for XBL, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale...

 

 

Why is that so strange?  I have to pay 60 Euro = Almost 95$  It is possible in his region that he has to pay over a 100$.






CaptainPrefrences said:
360 blades are slower then the in-game XMB? Marketplace is unorganized? You have go to be kidding me. From what I have seen, live has way more demos, dlc, movies, wya better voice chat (for PS3 you have to have the best bluetooth headset or else it will echo), how many PS3 games have "trophies"? and how many games have in-game music support?

also, PSN has slow ass downloads, and wheres Playstation Home?

 

 PSN doesn't have 'slow ass downloads', you probably don't have your router configured correctly.  I download things just fine.

Also, you don't have to have 'the best bluetooth headset' or it will echo.  I have 3 bluetooth headsets and 2 USB headsets and I get no echo - and two of them cost me less than $50 - one just happened to have a crappy battery so I had to get another=P  At least with the PS3, you can use whatever headset you want...what about the 360??  You get like 2 choices?  Yay..

For a site moderator, you're pretty arrogant.  At least I'm not a mod.  The 360 blades are WAY slower - yes.  Marketplace isn't unorganized, its WAY SLOWER.  Live does have more demos, I'll give you that.  DLC maybe...all I see in DLC is 'You thought this game only cost $60?  Hah..if you really wanna play online, try $70!"  The extra content is nice..but it's part of MS nickle-and-diming you to death.  I don't know about movies, so I can't really comment on that.

And the trophies and custom music - OK.  I give you that..it's a new feature on PSN.  Did XBL have that when it first began?  Hmm...don't think so..it does now, and now is what matters - but a year from now, this point will be moot.  Home being delayed is also another thing I'll give you, but what's that got to do with the online service?  If Home is such a big deal, then when it comes out, PSN will flat-out OWN XBL because it has absolutely nothing comparable to it.  Luckily for you, I don't see it that way, because while Home looks cool - I could care less if it ever really came out.  I don't get on my game console to socialize.  I get on to - as Will Ferrel so eloquently puts it - F*ck sh*t up.  I'm not a casual gamer, I'm a hardcore gamer.  Call me crazy.



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Kasz216 said:
EdGuila said:
Kasz216 said:
EdGuila said:
HeroeDeLeyenda said:
Main difference between PSN and LIVE is content
PSN= 7eleven
LIVE= Walmart

So you get ~200 demos over my ~100 demos and ~300 game trailers versus me ~200 game trailers....clearly worth $70 right??? Nah....

The biggest component of online "Gameplay" is the same.

 

From Siouxen earlier in the thread.


"I wasn't saying that it had more online games to make it sound better, in truth the services are pretty much identical except in the games offered. What I was pointing out is Microsofts structure allows a company that normally could not provide online modes to do so as they don't have to support it Microsoft will. That was a big point of Xbox live, and one reason Microsoft can justify charging."

So... yeah the "online gameplay" component isn't the same.

 

Well my cousin has COD4 and so do I and when he comes over he doesn't seem to notice anything wrong and when I go over I don't seem to notice anything worth paying $70 for.

 

Do you come over with games that aren't online on PSN? The fact that your only comparing basically COD4 pretty much means you don't get it. Read the quote and what it's saying.

Also you keep quoting $70 when an Xbox live membership doesn't cost $70. It costs $45.

More demos, more games, more players, free streaming movies if you have a netflix membership... and some other stuff make quite a convincing deal for some people.

It's obvious that if they were both free XBL would be leaps and bounds ahead of PS3. So it's really just a matter of how much you are willing to pay for better quality.

So 360 is better then PSN.  It's obvious.

 

 It's $70 here in Canada because Microsoft doesn't respect the value of other countries currencies.  Sony does.

Xbox Controllers are $85 for a recharagable, rumble.  PS3 are $54 and not only rechargable and rumble but motion too.  Pay less get more with a PS3.  You also get two analog sticks mirrored for each thumb.  360 inverts the left analog stick simply to make it look different, no functionality in doing so just couldn't think of anything else to do I guess.  Movement and sight work hand in hand and your hands sync better having them opposite.



PSN: EDguila

PS3 library:  Motorstorm, Assasin's Creed, Orange Box, Uncharted:DF, Metal Gear Solid 4, Resistance:FOM, Rachet & Clank Future:ToD,

Near future: Folklore, SOCOM Confrontation, BioShock, Little Big Planet, Resistance 2.

Phrancheyez said:
CaptainPrefrences said:
360 blades are slower then the in-game XMB? Marketplace is unorganized? You have go to be kidding me. From what I have seen, live has way more demos, dlc, movies, wya better voice chat (for PS3 you have to have the best bluetooth headset or else it will echo), how many PS3 games have "trophies"? and how many games have in-game music support?

also, PSN has slow ass downloads, and wheres Playstation Home?

 

 PSN doesn't have 'slow ass downloads', you probably don't have your router configured correctly.  I download things just fine.

Also, you don't have to have 'the best bluetooth headset' or it will echo.  I have 3 bluetooth headsets and 2 USB headsets and I get no echo - and two of them cost me less than $50 - one just happened to have a crappy battery so I had to get another=P  At least with the PS3, you can use whatever headset you want...what about the 360??  You get like 2 choices?  Yay..

For a site moderator, you're pretty arrogant.  At least I'm not a mod.  The 360 blades are WAY slower - yes.  Marketplace isn't unorganized, its WAY SLOWER.  Live does have more demos, I'll give you that.  DLC maybe...all I see in DLC is 'You thought this game only cost $60?  Hah..if you really wanna play online, try $70!"  The extra content is nice..but it's part of MS nickle-and-diming you to death.  I don't know about movies, so I can't really comment on that.

And the trophies and custom music - OK.  I give you that..it's a new feature on PSN.  Did XBL have that when it first began?  Hmm...don't think so..it does now, and now is what matters - but a year from now, this point will be moot.  Home being delayed is also another thing I'll give you, but what's that got to do with the online service?  If Home is such a big deal, then when it comes out, PSN will flat-out OWN XBL because it has absolutely nothing comparable to it.  Luckily for you, I don't see it that way, because while Home looks cool - I could care less if it ever really came out.  I don't get on my game console to socialize.  I get on to - as Will Ferrel so eloquently puts it - F*ck sh*t up.  I'm not a casual gamer, I'm a hardcore gamer.  Call me crazy.


CaptainPrefrences is a mod?

OT: Halo games are justification enough for most people to pay for live, like it or not.



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The fact that XBL is not free means that there is a big number of gamers that don't go online for cost reasons.
As a result the membership lelvels for PSN will be that much higher once the console numbers increase to similar levels.
So the XBL has more gamers point is very temporary and no one can dispute this...



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The voice chat features of XBL are miles beyond the current PS3 capabilities. Add to that Live Messenger integration and the chat features are just plain better. (Dont flame me, I am a Sony Advocate)



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MorgZ said:
I cant really be bothered to enter into a + / - battle but I would say that £30 / year for great online play is not an awful lot, infact its frankly bugger all. £2.50 a month which is around the price of a pint of lager.

The better value comment makes me laugh.

Based on UK prices you could buy:

-360 Pro
- 2 years worth of live
- Bioshock
- Lost Odyssey
- Halo3
- MassEffect
(will dig out links and prices if required!)

OR

- a PS3 without games

Fairly easy better value for money proposition in my opinion. Anyone saying this 10 year lifecycle rubbish needs to realise just how long that is and that any serious console gamer is inevitably going to be buying the xbox3 / playstation4 / wii2 before the 10 year ps3 cycle is up.

That's good and all for the UK, but in America a 360 pro plus 2 years of Live equals a PS3. And once the 20gb model sells out within the next month or so, you'll only be able to get a 360 pro and 1 year of Live for the price of a PS3. Not such a good value here in the single biggest market in the world.

The features of Live are great or so I hear. Cross game chat in particular is the major advantage, but that's the only one I can honestly think of.

 



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