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MrBubbles said:
iron_megalith said:
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Esmoreit said:
MrBubbles said:
each system has exclusives... which is what square wants.

 

Yeah but, Sony does not seem to have any major exclusives left from the SE camp I know of. That seems a bit strange indeed.

I think it's because M$ gives better financial support, or supports in programming by supplying people, who knows...

 

i know...its disgusting that sony only gets an insignificant thing like a final fantasy exclusive.  Unlike IU which everyone knows and loves and will definately sell several million copies.

Lol!

How about SO4 then? My cousin's gonna be missing out on this if they don't multi-plat this.

 

Its only technically exclusive, no agreements made or anything.   square still needs to make up their mind, so i cant really include it as an actual exclusive yet.

 

I guess you could put it that way.



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It's simple really, SE is in a big jam for cash again and need to ship FF13 asap. So, we are seeing them set safty nets. IMO though, when it gets released they will keep some games exclusive no matter what.

If all these 360 SE games release and do just ok sales, SE won't be at all impressed and should release them to the PS3. IMHO SO4 will definitely go to the PS3, IU will stay exclusive for the 360 and FF13 verses will stay exclusive for the PS3, giving both an exclusive to each.

Think about this, SE will definitely want SO4 released here in Japan for the PS3, as it will make them a shit load of profits, yes?

Come Aug at their event I have a strong feeling that SE will also give the PS3 another big exclusive rpg. I think it will be a whole new FF7 game, not a re-make and published by Sony. What do u guys think?



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MrBubbles said:
Esmoreit said:
MrBubbles said:
Esmoreit said:
MrBubbles said:
each system has exclusives... which is what square wants.

 

Yeah but, Sony does not seem to have any major exclusives left from the SE camp I know of. That seems a bit strange indeed.

I think it's because M$ gives better financial support, or supports in programming by supplying people, who knows...

 

i know...its disgusting that sony only gets an insignificant thing like a final fantasy exclusive.  Unlike IU which everyone knows and loves and will definately sell several million copies.

Missed the news much? FF is no longer exclusive, not in the Egnlish speaking territories anyway. I do agree that IU is kinda high risk, especially with a title like that...

 

 

i was referring to FF versus

 

 Honestly do you think it will remain exclusive? I am a major ps3 fan and i see no hope whatsoever.



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For IU well that game is funded by MS ( I'm not sure however).
IU was published by NamcoBandai before MS decided to pick up SE like publisher.



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i am not optimistic on the whole "3rd of August swinging the ball back to sony" thing. Capcom said the same thing too when Devil May Cry 4 went multi-plat and wat they gave Sony after that? a crappy port of lose planet zzzz



gebx said:
#1 reason - $$

Sales based on PS3 Userbase - Cost of Port/Difficulty Programming = Little to no profit

 

 Shoot me if I'm wrong..but I'd assume SE probably begins most multi-plats on the PS3, no?  Aside from I'd guess SO4 (and of course, older 360 timed-exclusives), just because as of right now like someone above me said, it's not really garunteed exclusive, but we know it's coming on the 360.  Maybe that's all it is - and if thats the case, it will probably release on both and simply run better on the 360, no?

I just hope when MS makes their next system and tries so hard to outdo the PS3 that people credit their delays and any 'possible multi-plat' game problems to MS' architecture.  I know it can be a problem..but come on people, everyone blames everything on the PS3 architecture..once a studio has 2 games out for a system, it should feel no different than the older systems they used to use.  All they have to learn is how to assign the processors..and that could take a little time, but it's not as difficult as you guys seem to think.  It's called trial-and-error, or as an old friend of mine says, 'Play.  Fiddle.  Learn.'  Or maybe I'm crazy.  That's definately a possibility.



Wow, seriously, I don't understand why people always skip what they know and find completely bogus reasons to things. It's not like no info was given!

What SE is saying there always was marketing. Gamers actually believe that they told you the true reasons? The true reasons are commercial ones, they have nothing to do with them favoring one or another, like they would decide who will win alone.

Everything is pretty clear to me, at least the reasons why they act like that: we have all the information we want.

1. They don't believe at all that they can decide a winner in any gen. I thought they at least believed it, because they kept on leaving FFXIII exclusive while it was clear that the PS3 could not support this game, so I thought they believed their game would be so powerful a system seller that it would lift lots of PS3. But history in this gen has shown us that their game have lost most of their power, and would not lift many PS3. When they announced FFXIII on XB360 for the western countries, it was clear to me that they were scared to see their next main series FF fail miserably. They basically had no choice, but it was a bad choice anyway, as the game won't be sustained in Japan. There's just not enough PS3 to do that. Unless the game release in 2012. Even releasing in holidays 2009, I'm not sure the PS3 sales can support the game in Japan. In the west though, XB360 + PS3 will do it. But they just destroyed their series IMO. Because they'll lose most of their japanese fanbase. FFCC on the Wii won't cut it to bring FF back. Like I wrote in an essay of mine, my prediction of DQ now taking the lead looks more and more true by the day.

2. Guys, IU and Last Remnant are UE3 based. That should explain a lot of things to you. Both games look more western than japanese, like several japanese devs says, that's also because of the engine, that gives a western look to lots of their games, and doesn't please people wanting more eastern designs. This engine runs very bad on PS3, but the companies were screwed in buying them (serves them right), and are now forced to at least recoup their loss with this engine. Except they can't, as the purpose of buying an engine was to make the games easily multiplatform. But running so poorly on PS3 (Unreal Engine 3 is more suited to DirectX, thus why it works far better on Windows and XB360), all they can do is make XB360 games that looks like western games. That's very bad for JRPG, except if you want to sell them in the west mostly. They even put the PS3 version behind and perhaps even cancelled it, which indicate how poor their investment was, as the engine is actually very bad. UE3 is very bad on PS3, as it isn't made at all to take advantage of the cells.

3. Notice that the only games that stay or become multiplatform are NOT based on UE3. Notice that the only ones that didn't run stupidly bad on PS3 compared to XB360 are made with other custom engines (Capcom games, Crystal Tools). Remember the comments by some developer about the west being more advanced technically and Japan falling behind? He was mainly talking about game engines. Most japanese devs at first took the correct stance and resisted the urge to buy UE3 (UE3 devs were complaining about that), but then they were fooled by GoW or sth like that, and caved in. I bet most regret it a lot now, and would have made their own or work together to make one. I bet Capcom is laughing for they didn't fall in this trap (at least not completely).

So to cut it short, SE marketing here just hides the fact that their hand is actually forced in every choice they make up till now. They sound like they are in control, while they're not.
To me, the funny thing is that I think after the merge, SE wanted to make FF their flagship franchise, and DQ second. While probably, what will happen is DQ will end up 1st and FF second... or worse.
They must be running around scared, as the best selling JRPG in Japan is actually a DQ spinoff on the Wii.



Maybe KH3 will be a ps3 exclusive...