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that would be near a 90% failure rate, which then the product would be FORCED to do a massive recall. So I'm going to go with that this is totally bogus.




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DonWii said:
IF I read correctly, it seems the center actually reported those numbers.

Actually it was a 360 owner who claimed that the center told him these numbers.  That doesn't mean that they are wrong, it just means that those numbers are not offical and need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Still, even if the low end number is correct (1,500) that is still alot of consoles per day.

Assuming an average of 2,000 consoles per day ((1500+2500)/2 = 2000) and 5 workdays. (I assume they don't work weekends)  That is 10,000 consoles per week.  How many 360's does microsoft sell in the UK per week?



The article does say that they recieve between 1,500 and 2,500 indicating that they don' thit the max all of the time. It's very telling, though, that they are sending these machines out of the country for repair. Regardless of how many they actually get, it's certain that it's lot.



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"...according to customer reports."

I was like daaaaaaaaaaaamn, then I saw that quote in the article and said to myself, "Self ... why would a customer be privy to this kind of information?"

That number is ridiculously too high. Europe has only complained about disc scratching ( http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160212 ). Something tells me if consoles were failing by the boatload, we'd definitely hear it from a real source.



Dang that's a lot! Not any single console from Nintendo or Sony has ever had so many malfunctions in their entire entire life together as the 360 has, from what I hear and read. Perhaps it's about time MS pointed at their manufactories instead of at their consumers like they did with the Ring of Death, when this all seems to be true. Though I find it very hard to believe, the amount is way too much. Then almost every single console must have a malfunction :=/



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Seems to me like microsoft never tested x-box 360 components before making the console.



I can't imagine Microsoft to do much better than they did last generation, or at least IMO they don't deserve to....


Record holder so far? ReverendSlim, poster at 1UP / Kotagu with 8 broken XBox 360s? Maybe there are people who score higher, but I can imagine them to stay quiet as he got slammed by other XBox 360 fans, even calling him to be an idiot on blogs...

His horror story:

I bought the 360 at launch. That one died in May of ‘06 and was promptly replaced. The replacement died 10/15/06. Microsoft sent me a refurb that arrived on Halloween and was instantly killed by the Fall update’s faulty installation code (as admitted to on Gamerscoreblog.com - a site run by Microsoft employees). Two weeks later, another refurb arrived - this time dead out of the box. At this point, I bought a Core system from Circuit City because I had gone over a month with no system and wanted to play Gears Of War.

Microsoft lost the DOA unit I returned. After countless hours on the phone, they still refused to act so I contacted Larry Hyrb (aka Major Nelson) and explained my story, asking for his assistance. This resulted in an e-mail from Microsoft asking me to send in my dead system, which I explained that I had already done a month before. I did not receive a replacement until January 15, 2007 - almost three months to the day after my first refurb died. During that time, the Core system I had purchased red-ringed on me and was promptly replaced by Circuit City on 12/23/06. When I complained about 8 weeks of my Live account going to waste from them sending me broken units, they offered me a free year of Xbox Live.

The day after this statement was made, they charged my credit card for a year anyway. When I called to ask for a refund, they cancelled my Live account altogether. After two hour long calls asking where my free year went, they told me I would have to pay for a year again while the refunds were being processed. I did eventually receive two credits to my card, so eventually they did give me that free year. They then charged my credit card for Microsoft Points without actually giving them to me, requiring two more hours of phone calls, plus faxing my driver’s license and credit card to them on the letterhead of the law firm where I work. To their credit, after the 01/15/07 console arrived, I did receive a call from Microsoft HQ asking if I was satisfied, and when I explained everything that had happened, they sent me a free copy of Viva Pinata.

The system they sent me on 01/15/07 died on 05/23/07. I waited for the box, sent it in and received a refurb on 06/08/07. That refurb had a disc tray that wouldn’t open and the system would randomly reboot itself for no reason. I received yet another box from MS and just sent the refurb back to them on 06/14/07.

If you’re doing the math, the next refurb I receive from Microsoft will be system number 9 since launch (if you count the second Core system, which I kept as a backup). Seriously. NINE. I wish I was kidding about that number, but I have a closet full of Microsoft boxes and 5 white faceplates to prove it (because they tell you to remove them before you send the dead system in).

Since launch, I have made over 50 phone calls to Microsoft support, each averaging about an hour. During these calls:
- I was lied to about getting a free year of Live and had to talk to two supervisors to get what they had promised me.
- I was lied to multiple times about a return box being sent to my house when none was scheduled to.
- I had to pay for my own shipping and packaging twice.
- I was told that I had to ship it myself, and then received an empty box from Microsoft the day after my Halloween ‘06 refurb arrived.
- I had a supervisor tell me my case was being escalated to Microsoft HQ so I would receive a NEW console instead of a refurb - only to be told weeks later by another supervisor that this was not true.
- I had another supervisor tell me that a new-in-box console had already been shipped to my house and to call back 24 hours later for a tracking number, only to be told the following day by a supervisor named Shaun that “that supervisor lied to you, probably just to get off the phone with you.”

The point of my story is this: I love the 360. I like the games, I like the integration and ease of Xbox Live, and the 360 controller is probably the most comfortable game controller I’ve used in my 33 years. But if someone like me, who works in IT and treats their electronic equipment exceedingly well, can’t keep a 360 running, there is a serious issue with the system’s reliability. And after my 8th system since launch was dead on arrival, you would think that Microsoft would just send me a new one already… or at the very least, a refurb that they had adequately tested.

Let’s hope that system number 9 arrives soon. Personally, I’m hoping that they send me one that has the new heatpipe they’ve added to the GPU heatsink that has been reported by countless gaming news outlets (and was responded to with the same amount of stonewalling and doublespeak that Dean experienced here). If not, I’ll no doubt be on number 10 before too long… and that’s simply inexcusable.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

If this is true than microsoft is loosing huge amounts of money on the 360..this is bad for them very bad...



 

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nordlead said:
that would be near a 90% failure rate, which then the product would be FORCED to do a massive recall. So I'm going to go with that this is totally bogus.

How do you figure? This isn't an attach rate calculation. For example, units that are repaired can also fail. If you're counting repaired units as "working" as soon as they come back, then you can have several failure per sale and still not have a failure rate of 90%.  For a failure rate to truly be 90%, if calculated from age 0 consoles, users would have to  average receiving 9 consoles that failed, sent them back, and have a currently working unit.

People can discredit this particular article if they choose, but there are plenty of similar articles and will continue to be plenty of articles. If you want to deny reality, it will get a lot harder as the 360 gets older without any fixes.

The 360 failure rate is a disaster for Microsoft by any measure.  Look around -- if you knew enough people with xbox 360s that play them regularly, you'll see a lot of failures.  Look at the guy who has a business and purchased 12 360s.  9 of them failed?  That's insane.

Even if we wanted to, we couldn't calculate reasonable failure rates for the 360 simply because it hasn't been out long enough.  Many units that will fail within the first year of ownership haven't been owned for nearly a year yet.  Most units on the market haven't been owned for a year yet.  



IMO XBox 360 overheating deserves European Commission investigation, just like is currently the case with regard to the XBox 360's disc scratching issues.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales