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The_vagabond7 on 26 July 2008

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Mise on 26 July 2008

Either the OP is the greatest troll post on the internet right now, or ... no, the alternative is just too awful to imagine. It's a troll post.




It is.




It has to be. Right?




RIGHT!?



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Girl Gamer Elite on 27 July 2008
DTG said:

After having watched this overrated but mediocre movie it's hard not to be beaten over the head with all the apparent coincidential similarities to MGS.

Batmans raspy voice, which came out quite forced seemed like a nod to David Hayters Solid Snake as the two characters sounded essentially alike (besides the fact that SS sounds much more natural having done this voice for over a decade)

The thematics and pseudo philosophies of TDK also quite overtly borrowed from MGS. The themes of chaos, control, manipulation, heroes, anarchy, etc were simply too numerous to be considered merely nods to MGS. Much like The Matrix practically ripped off Ghost in the Shell (and did a poor job at that) TDK quite shamefully borrowed almost complete lines from Kojima's games. Some of the lines of being a hero (or not being one), of chaos and control were so similar to dialogue used in MGS that it felt almost distracting while watching the movie.

That TDK made such shallow use of Kojima's deep thematics was ever so aggrivating, not to mention the fact that I had not see the director or writer admit to MGS serving as an obvious influence is what makes this all the more shameful. 

I honestly have to agree.

It seems like the movie tried too hard to present a story that begged a very simple question which was then extrapolated needlessly as the sole substance of the plot. Like Metal Gear Solid 2, it took a fairly simple underlying commentary and made it a confusing mess, spinning its wheels in its redundant progression while trying to explain the same message over and over. Let us also not forget the frequent trailing off of the movie to follow tangents of the story and characters who were only ever meant to be supplementary to the larger story. Like Metal Gear Solid 2, the story didn't really know where it wanted to go or how to get there and rellied on the ambiguity of the story telling and presentation to create the illusion of something that is greater than what it truly was.

 



BenKenobi88 on 27 July 2008
Girl Gamer Elite said:
DTG said:

After having watched this overrated but mediocre movie it's hard not to be beaten over the head with all the apparent coincidential similarities to MGS.

Batmans raspy voice, which came out quite forced seemed like a nod to David Hayters Solid Snake as the two characters sounded essentially alike (besides the fact that SS sounds much more natural having done this voice for over a decade)

The thematics and pseudo philosophies of TDK also quite overtly borrowed from MGS. The themes of chaos, control, manipulation, heroes, anarchy, etc were simply too numerous to be considered merely nods to MGS. Much like The Matrix practically ripped off Ghost in the Shell (and did a poor job at that) TDK quite shamefully borrowed almost complete lines from Kojima's games. Some of the lines of being a hero (or not being one), of chaos and control were so similar to dialogue used in MGS that it felt almost distracting while watching the movie.

That TDK made such shallow use of Kojima's deep thematics was ever so aggrivating, not to mention the fact that I had not see the director or writer admit to MGS serving as an obvious influence is what makes this all the more shameful. 

I honestly have to agree.

It seems like the movie tried too hard to present a story that begged a very simple question which was then extrapolated needlessly as the sole substance of the plot. Like Metal Gear Solid 2, it took a fairly simple underlying commentary and made it a confusing mess, spinning its wheels in its redundant progression while trying to explain the same message over and over. Let us also not forget the frequent trailing off of the movie to follow tangents of the story and characters who were only ever meant to be supplementary to the larger story. Like Metal Gear Solid 2, the story didn't really know where it wanted to go or how to get there and rellied on the ambiguity of the story telling and presentation to create the illusion of something that is greater than what it truly was.

 

I'm not sure what movie you watched...The Dark Knight was fairly straightforward.

DTG just heard a raspy voice, heard the word "chaos", remembered playing MGS, and immediately stated The Dark Knight ripped off MGS.

It's an insult to Christopher Nolan really, and it's pretty lame.  I doubt he's even seen a PS3 let alone play an MGS game.



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spdk1 on 27 July 2008

WOW

words do not express the fail in these parts....

I would say something, but I think a joke account is in the works, so I will not...

WOW



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flames_of on 27 July 2008

Nolans probaly a PC gamer :)

@ DTG
You backed up your claims with vague evidence, only time that works is with conspiracy theories. You used the concept "heroes" as evidence

You better not be thinking that the concept of heroism is Kojima only. As that is an utter lie, heroics is an ancient concept more than a simple theme in games or movies.

One last thing, you are anti-fun as well... Why not sing the FUN sung aswell



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d21lewis on 27 July 2008

Wow. If I were the O.P., I'd log out for a couple weeks 'til this whole thread was naught but a memory. I mean Snake's suit used to be described as Batman's suit without the hood in 1998-2001.......



twesterm on 27 July 2008
The_vagabond7 said:
....Is this bannable? Please, some mod with an itchy trigger finger save us all. This is stupidity on the grandest scale. It's not even close to being logical, or sane.

I would if I could ban someone for an hour or so.  That would be so much more fun than a warning.

 



 

sieanr on 28 July 2008

DTG = Troll*

*I hope



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senseinobaka on 28 July 2008

Man this thread is like a blast from the past. And by past I mean 8 years ago when 1st generation trolls were trying to convince anime denizens that Evangelion ripped of [insert random anime series here]. Or the even more annoying trolling of [insert random anime series here] ripped off Evangelion.

Many philosophical and character development plots exist and they are used and re-used constantly, the art is in how they are developed, and if you would look you would see as plain as day that Nolan and Kojima develop their characters and philosophies very differently.



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