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ranzchic on 13 February 2007

Stormie, the link doesnt work, btw. Is the article actually talking about Europe as a whole or just the UK? I should mention that Nintendogs sold WAY more units in Europe than Japan and the USA combined so thats a bit of a sign that non-games are taking hold outside Japan. We'll see.



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superchunk on 13 February 2007

Stromprophet said: 1. No it is not. Japan is half NA and half of Europe. NA and Europe are almost even, but recently (last year) Europe in total has purchased more PS2s than NA. 2. I can find you a Wii right now, where do you live. It's simple actually, no it's not sold out. You just have to look harder.
1. 2006 totals, according to vgcharts, not just the PS2 btw, there are more systems. Europe - 17m hardware for about 810m people (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats4.htm) That means 2% of Europe's population has a game system of some kind. NA - 26m hardware for about 335m people (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm) That means 8% of NA's population has a game system of some kind. Japan - 14m hardware for about 128m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan) That means 11% of Japan's population has a game system some kind. This shows a couple of things. A. NA is by far the largest market. B. Europe is only larger than Japan due to have nearly 8x the population. Therefore, Europe is a much smaller market and will not enable the PS3 to dominate anything. Any idea why all three systems launch there last? Because they are a smaller market....maybe? 2. I live in Tucson, Arizona. Any internet site you query for systems in stock, will be outdated by a day, and only show numbers those stores may have received today. Unless I got there at open and waited all day or until they brought them out I would not be able to get one. I am not going to do that. I can wait until later next month when I should be able to go into some store and find one in stock.



rendo on 13 February 2007

I'm going to jump on the same wagon as a few others. PS3 pre-order madness = mainly scalpers. They will try and make their quick buck, and in 2 weeks some will, but afterwards the rest won't. It happened in NA, and it will happen in EU. Sorry PS3 fans, a lot of those pre-orders will be going back for refunds. :)



Diomedes1976 on 13 February 2007

superchunk said: Stromprophet said: 1. No it is not. Japan is half NA and half of Europe. NA and Europe are almost even, but recently (last year) Europe in total has purchased more PS2s than NA. 2. I can find you a Wii right now, where do you live. It's simple actually, no it's not sold out. You just have to look harder. 1. 2006 totals, according to vgcharts, not just the PS2 btw, there are more systems. Europe - 17m hardware for about 810m people (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats4.htm) That means 2% of Europe's population has a game system of some kind. NA - 26m hardware for about 335m people (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats2.htm) That means 8% of NA's population has a game system of some kind. Japan - 14m hardware for about 128m (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan) That means 11% of Japan's population has a game system some kind. This shows a couple of things. A. NA is by far the largest market. B. Europe is only larger than Japan due to have nearly 8x the population. Therefore, Europe is a much smaller market and will not enable the PS3 to dominate anything. Any idea why all three systems launch there last? Because they are a smaller market....maybe? 2. I live in Tucson, Arizona. Any internet site you query for systems in stock, will be outdated by a day, and only show numbers those stores may have received today. Unless I got there at open and waited all day or until they brought them out I would not be able to get one. I am not going to do that. I can wait until later next month when I should be able to go into some store and find one in stock.
Ejem ejem .....European Union doesnt have 810 million people but 450.By the way ,the market is extremely small in the East Europe for now and those countries are 170 million people .The bulk of the european market is the Europe of the 12 ,core of the EU ,and countries as UK ,Germany ,France ,Spain and Italy ...then other small markets as Greece ,Portugal ,Austria ,Holland,Switzerland and Denmark add their numbers but for about 10% all toghether .....THe european market is as big as the NA one in hardware sales ,software wise it is another story as the piratery is way more spread and the games are more expensive (games here for the Xbox and Cube and PS2 have been all the last generation 60 euros ...thats some 72 dollars ) .To give you an example my country has 41 million people and the PS2 has sold some 4.5 million consoles here and the PSP and DS are exceeding 1 million and 1.5 million respectively right now . The consoles has been awaite anxiously in Europe ,ther may be scalpers but to pretend those are the bulk of the buyers or even a significant amount is ridiculous .



Kwaad on 13 February 2007

stof said: According to this sites world wide hardware shipments, the Pal region is just, JUST behind NA in sales of PS2 and PSP. So I'd say it's about equal. They'll probably have a better launch there than NA not because of region tastes, but because of the wise delay. They'll be able to release the system in large quantities (1 million in the launch "window"), and actually launch it with some games worth getting. It's what they should have done World Wide. As for sales. It'll probably sell out immediately, with a large portion bought by scalpers, many of whom will have their asses handed to them when PS3's quickly become available on store shelves. It'll sell fairly well, but it won't do any of the crazy stuff people like Kwaad talk about.
Crazy stuff? I'm saying ~1.2 million PS3 in March. and ~500,000-600,000 in april. and then 300-400thousand after that. But at the end of march I'm expecting 4.5million more more PS3 worldwide. While Wii will be lucky to hit 6million sold. (I was thinking about this. The PS3 is flown to america. The PS3's for europe launch are ALREADY on the boat to get to europe... wait. How long does it take to get a boat to america from China? About 2 weeks. That means there are about 500,000 Wii's on a BOAT from china... to america. and possibly 500,000 to 750,000 on the way to europe. What does that mean. There are almost 1million Wii's sitting on a boat. Think about it. I never thought of that. How many Wii's are on a boat?



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GF on 13 February 2007

Stromprophet said: I think people underestimate the Playstation Brand in Europe. It's bigger there than in the US.
And I think you overstimate Europe's acquisitive capacity. Do you really think Europe will buy as many PS3s as they were sold in America in Christmas, during a non-festive period, when the price here is 750$, and when most of the gaming population is completely casual? I don't think so. It will happen like in NA. Launch madnes first and poor sales later.



superchunk on 13 February 2007

Diomedes1976 said: Ejem ejem .....European Union doesnt have 810 million people but 450.By the way ,the market is extremely small in the East Europe for now and those countries are 170 million people .The bulk of the european market is the Europe of the 12 ,core of the EU ,and countries as UK ,Germany ,France ,Spain and Italy ...then other small markets as Greece ,Portugal ,Austria ,Holland,Switzerland and Denmark add their numbers but for about 10% all toghether .....THe european market is as big as the NA one in hardware sales ,software wise it is another story as the piratery is way more spread and the games are more expensive (games here for the Xbox and Cube and PS2 have been all the last generation 60 euros ...thats some 72 dollars ) .To give you an example my country has 41 million people and the PS2 has sold some 4.5 million consoles here and the PSP and DS are exceeding 1 million and 1.5 million respectively right now . The consoles has been awaite anxiously in Europe ,ther may be scalpers but to pretend those are the bulk of the buyers or even a significant amount is ridiculous .
When did I say EU?? I said Europe. That includes many other countries not part of EU, as does the counts in my message. My point still stands. Logic clearly dictates that if ALL 3 game console makers send their products to Europeans last, sometimes years later in the past. That MUST mean they are a market that is not as important. smaller. worth less. get my point.



Kwaad on 13 February 2007

Meh. http://www.vgcharts.org/worldcons.php?date=38961&sort=1 Europe sells very closely with america in numbers. Alot above. Alot below.



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superchunk on 13 February 2007

Kwaad said: Meh. http://www.vgcharts.org/worldcons.php?date=38961&sort=1 Europe sells very closely with america in numbers. Alot above. Alot below.
Did you even read my post? I am taking in more than raw hardware sales to compare.



Kwaad on 13 February 2007

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=&console=PS2&publisher=&sort=Total http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=&console=DS&publisher=&sort=Total Looks like Europe is a hard hitter for the PS2. and For the top selling games... on the DS. Europe outsells america alot. So Hardware isnt important for consoles in Europe... Are the Games important then? Becuase if they are. Europe is the fastest growing market right now.



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