Actually every single title in that list - except for Oblivion/CODIII show advantages for the Xbox360 version in resolution or MSAA levels or both. The specific examples I had more information about.

in the real world we all live in - even developers haha, have to live within a budget. If I have 3 minutes per day to apply makeup and I have two different products to use, one gives me the better result in 3 minutes it doesn't matter how pretty I look with 6 minutes and the other product does it? So for that real world application one is obviously better than the other. But yes, you'd have to prove that the rockstar people didn't infact spend MILLIONS of dollars on both the Xbox360 and PS3 versions of the game to really disprove what I've been saying, the rest is just supporting stuff.

You know appeals to faith about untapped potential don't real sway more than the converted. So you're saying theres no way of knowing? And yet you seem to think this implies outrageous potential? Its like you're begging the question and other stuff that doesn't win you debates.

Can we just make this the "Official Thread" on this subject and be done with it? At this point I don't really care.

Sony consistently outsells the xbox in Japan/Others and is outselling it in the Americas fairly consistently.

Third Parties have gone multi-plat. Day and Date releases of the PS3 and Xbox versions.

Sony invests a substantial amount of money in first party development and has the most exclusive games.

I am satisfied with that. If GTA has more pixels on the 360 version, great. Congrats on winning the battle while losing the war.

I could've sworn that someone posted a link on the forums showing that 360 iis the lead console for GTA4. Games like COD4 show that a developer can achieve greatness on both consoles so if they choose to give me an inferior product for the same price, it counts as a boycott.

Also, at the end of the day anyone can come up with tech jibber-jabber to push their propaganda. I can start looknig for the ones that "prove" that the ps3 is better but its really starting to get redundant.

Seriously. Head start maybe? I think MGS4, Killzone 2, and MAG are showcases of how the PS3 is capable of producing bigger and better games.

But the experience ultimately depends on what the developer does with the hardware. You can do more on screen with the cell. That is a fact. That might not translate in to better games of course, but the PS3 is more powerful by far. We've had a million different comparison threads on the internet and the end result is always the same.

Also, I get the feeling that Squilliam just wanted to start a long thread to discuss the techie stuff he's interested in. I'll cease to be a part of it though...gotta get back to work!

that and theit lack of undersanding for the PS3 because they are to lazy to learn it. Heck, Insomniac has that entire web based info center on the PS3 yet it seems no 3rd parties are using it.

I think tc is right in a way. The ps3 is more powerful but for devs to get the power out of of the ps3 it takes takes twice as long, cost twice as much etc. The things is after all that work they only look slightly better, not really worth the effort. So the only games that will be better on the ps3 are 1st party titles.

The 360 has nothing that can come close to the likes of R&C, Uncharted, GT5p or Killzone2.

At least I learned something very important in this thread; when I finally have my 360 or PS3 I won't buy GTA cause apperantly it sucks for both consoles, lol.

All the joning aside, thanks for the start on the Wii vs last gen consoles.

What we need to think about though, is what games, whether multiplatform or exclusive are the best games for each system.

The best PS3 games (going by marks) are:

1. GTAIV
2. COD4
   
3. MGS4 (Exclusive)
4. Oblivion
5. Rock Band
6. Rachet & Clank Future (Exclusive)
   
7. The Orange Box
8. Uncharted (Exclusive)
   
9. Ninja Gaiden Sigma (Exclusive)
   
10. GRID

The best 360 games are:

1. GTAIV
2. Bioshock (Timed Exclusive)
   
3. The Orange Box
4. Gears of War (Exclusive)
   
5. Oblivion
6. COD4
7. Halo 3 (Exclusive)
   
8. Guitar Hero III
9. Rock Band
10. Mass Effect (Exclusive)

Add to the above that Oblivion is better on the PS3 than the 360 and Bioshock is coming to the PS3 in 2 months time and is looking better than the 360 version.

So even though the 360 is generally better at the multiplatform games at the moment.  The best games for each system includes more exclusives for the PS3 and better versions of games for the PS3 than the 360.