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Excuse me, what's + mean?Could you please explain that? ( ^w^)'

P.S. I like ACM too :)



Madanial said:
Excuse me, what's + mean?Could you please explain that? ( ^w^)'

P.S. I like ACM too :)

 

 That just shows how good taste you have ;)

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Scary4Eva said:
azrm2k said:
The snobcore gamers are getting more and more annoying as this generation continues. Gaming has been looked down upon for years and people were upset. Now that more people are embracing it, these guys get upset again.

 

I totally agree with this. I've been gaming since I was young and I found through out the years most people weren't really into games and the hardcore gamers complained because people weren't accepting of gaming. Now maybe over the past 5 years more people are accepting gaming and hardcore gamers are complaining about that. It just seems to me hardcore gamers are never happy.

Count my voice in this. It's nice to see more family and friends play games. It's also a nice change of pace that games are less combat orientated. Almost feels like a resurgence of the old NES days. Though we will continue to get plenty of combat games.

 



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I really hope that StarFox gets a Wii version... if not Nini really did kick Core gamers in the balls on the Wii. Just having 2 or 3 versions of Mario, Metroid, and Zelda does not equal a strong core line-up that they are saying the support. (guessing on number of titles by end of generation)



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I think I remember Miyamoto or someone talking about how Star Fox would work on the Wii, and I think it's pretty much a given that there will be one. Why wouldn't there be?



frybread said:

Hardcore gamer checking in with my opinion:

 

Casual games are the new home to creativity and skill.  "hardcore" games are becoming interactive movies, where dying doesn't make sense, so the game is made easier.

For example, the amount of skill it takes to master casual classics such as Bejeweled, Guitar Hero or Chess is much greater than the skill needed to finish "Uncharted"

 

 

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ssj12 said:
I really hope that StarFox gets a Wii version... if not Nini really did kick Core gamers in the balls on the Wii.

 

1)  Yeah, remember when Nintendo "kicked core gamers in the balls" with the 64 by not putting out a Metroid game?  It wouldn't be unprecedented for them not to release every IP they have every gen and you can't blame no Metroid 64 on "Nintendo abandoning the core gamers" when they weren't aiming for the casuals back then like they are now, but i'm sure people would blame them this time.

2)  That said there will almost definitely be a Starfox Wii.  Just give it time.  The Wii came out less than two years ago and Nintendo's already given Zelda, Mario, MK, and SSB games.  So much so that people continually like to bash the Wii by saying "Well, what's left? Nintendo wasted everything already."

I just hope they go back to the classic formula with Starfox.  I didn't like the direction they took on the GC.



It is funny how in the first few posts in this thread all have downplayed the article author, yet i can bet that they feel the same way.

And so do I. Nintendo should toss 50 millions in some of the more talented dev's laps and give us something to look forward to. I mean, it's not like they're gonna loose that money (infact, i bet they would make a nice profit).



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Dodece said:
I think the author is making a valid point. Nintendo has been milking the casual market for all it is worth. Churning out fast cash titles with little to no substance. As someone who has owned every single Nintendo console launched I can see where the frustration is coming from. Nintendo used to be far more original, and they had a reputation for top shelf quality.

The author might not be a core died in the wool loyalist, but he probably did have greater expectations from Nintendo. Quite frankly so did I, and a number of others on these forums. There was a time when you knew that Nintendo was going to deliver a core game every couple months, and it was going to be a solid nine in the reviews column. Quite frankly watered down casual fair like Wii music, Wii resort, and Animal Crossing just is not going to cut it. I agree that Animal Crossing was fun for a few weeks, but the concept is stale at this point. Nintendo is putting their old core loyalists on one hell of a fast as it were.

Let me say this I think any manufacturer that placed space in their conference for casual audience games were really doing something stupid. The people that will play these ultra casual games, are not the people that watch game conferences. Those that watch game conferences are hobbyists. So when you make a presentation and basically ignore them. Yes they are going to feel slighted. Nintendo was the worst of the lot at E3. Though both Microsoft and Sony had similarly stupid parts in their conferences.

Nintendo really needs to do a better job with their library unless they are looking to alienate the core gamers that have supported the last four consoles they brought to market. No I do not even acknowledge the Virtual Boy. The point is this is a problem, and just laying out lip service isn't going to get the job done. I think it is a shame that Nintendo lost Rare. Were Rare still a Nintendo second party they could take up the core market slack for Nintendo. Then Nintendo could push these ultra casual titles, and someone would take care of their core audience.

I am not attacking Nintendo I just agree with the author that Nintendo being utterly consumed with placating the casual market is nothing less then a tragedy. Gone are the days of Miyamoto talking about the complexity of camera control in a virtual world. Replaced by a sad figure playing a remote control like a Sax.

Before anyone rails on me I would be equally disappointed if a Rare started making games for toddlers, or Epic began to churn out doll dressing games. The tragedy is that the talent is going to waste putting so much effort into making games so far below their skill level. I do not think there is anything wrong with holding a developer to some standard of delivery especially when they have proven to be so good in the past?

You couldn't have said it better. +10000000 to you!