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The honest truth is not that the PS3 and 360 aren't selling bad, it's that the Wii is selling good. From release date the PS3 is on par with the PS2. The 360 is selling slightly slower than the PS2 at the same stage in it's life. So no the PS3 and 360 aren't selling bad. That said casual games aren't biting into core market. The Wii sells mostly to casual gamers who would other wise not care about video games. If Nintendo suddenly discountinue the Wii and cease all software releases, the PS3 and 360 would still sell roughly the same amount, actually slightly more. Maybe an extra for 15k and 10k per week WW for the PS3 and 360 respectively. The majority of Wii's base, casual gamers, would not buy a PS3 or 360 just because the Wii didn't exist. It's actually good for PS3 and 360 because eventually for some Wii gamers the simplicity of throwing darts to pop as many ballons in under a minute could eventually lead them to MGS, FF, Halo, GoW or whatever core game you like.



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steven787 said:
Vaio actually has been really good at finding articles recently. He posts them here preventing these dumbass sites from getting hits. That is awesome in my book.

 

He also prevents that trolls post these articles. Too bad people doesn`t even check his profile before calling him a troll.



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EdGuila said:
The honest truth is not that the PS3 and 360 aren't selling bad, it's that the Wii is selling good. From release date the PS3 is on par with the PS2. The 360 is selling slightly slower than the PS2 at the same stage in it's life. So no the PS3 and 360 aren't selling bad. That said casual games aren't biting into core market. The Wii sells mostly to casual gamers who would other wise not care about video games. If Nintendo suddenly discountinue the Wii and cease all software releases, the PS3 and 360 would still sell roughly the same amount, actually slightly more. Maybe an extra for 15k and 10k per week WW for the PS3 and 360 respectively. The majority of Wii's base, casual gamers, would not buy a PS3 or 360 just because the Wii didn't exist. It's actually good for PS3 and 360 because eventually for some Wii gamers the simplicity of throwing darts to pop as many ballons in under a minute could eventually lead them to MGS, FF, Halo, GoW or whatever core game you like.

Grrrr.....

Don't get mad dtewi. He is a newbie. He doesn't know any better....

You're using the WW chart, correct? It starts out with the PS2 in Japan only though. It doesn't align the launches for all regions.

For a much better comparison, use American, Japan, and Others aligned launches charts.



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vaio said:
If mods find this annoying please let me know I will stop then. I read a lot and I just think that i might aswell post them here and as steven787 says why let them have the hits when you can get the full story.

@Madanial if you think I am bashing Nintendo the please go through my post history and try and find one thing bad I said about Ninty (not article I posted).

I have been Nintendo fan since my grandfather bought me the first Game & Watch game (Donkey Kong) in the very early 80´s. I have all Ninty consoles except when it comes to handhelds (haven´t had a handheld since Gameboy or Game Gear) and if the name makes you think I am a Sony fan bashing Nintendo then you are fooling your self.

 

 I just consider you someone reporting on the festivities of this month's traditional Wii Hate week celebration. And you do everyone a service by posting the entire article, removing any reason for us to click on the link, and give these idiots free hits on their blogs/sites. =)



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I'd kinda hoped that the whole short-sighted "casual games are bad" thing would die off by now... But I guess when you bring a group of people to the attention that they have peers who don't take things nearly as seriously as they do, you're inevitably going to get some bitterness and anger going on. Which is quite sad in the case of something like video games, as they're meant to be entertainment, not "serious business". What gets me most, though, are the ones who act like the existence of these "casual games" somehow hurts their ability to enjoy the games they love. Since when? And if so, why are these people so incredibly weak-willed and easy to influence?



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I think the author is making a valid point. Nintendo has been milking the casual market for all it is worth. Churning out fast cash titles with little to no substance. As someone who has owned every single Nintendo console launched I can see where the frustration is coming from. Nintendo used to be far more original, and they had a reputation for top shelf quality.

The author might not be a core died in the wool loyalist, but he probably did have greater expectations from Nintendo. Quite frankly so did I, and a number of others on these forums. There was a time when you knew that Nintendo was going to deliver a core game every couple months, and it was going to be a solid nine in the reviews column. Quite frankly watered down casual fair like Wii music, Wii resort, and Animal Crossing just is not going to cut it. I agree that Animal Crossing was fun for a few weeks, but the concept is stale at this point. Nintendo is putting their old core loyalists on one hell of a fast as it were.

Let me say this I think any manufacturer that placed space in their conference for casual audience games were really doing something stupid. The people that will play these ultra casual games, are not the people that watch game conferences. Those that watch game conferences are hobbyists. So when you make a presentation and basically ignore them. Yes they are going to feel slighted. Nintendo was the worst of the lot at E3. Though both Microsoft and Sony had similarly stupid parts in their conferences.

Nintendo really needs to do a better job with their library unless they are looking to alienate the core gamers that have supported the last four consoles they brought to market. No I do not even acknowledge the Virtual Boy. The point is this is a problem, and just laying out lip service isn't going to get the job done. I think it is a shame that Nintendo lost Rare. Were Rare still a Nintendo second party they could take up the core market slack for Nintendo. Then Nintendo could push these ultra casual titles, and someone would take care of their core audience.

I am not attacking Nintendo I just agree with the author that Nintendo being utterly consumed with placating the casual market is nothing less then a tragedy. Gone are the days of Miyamoto talking about the complexity of camera control in a virtual world. Replaced by a sad figure playing a remote control like a Sax.

Before anyone rails on me I would be equally disappointed if a Rare started making games for toddlers, or Epic began to churn out doll dressing games. The tragedy is that the talent is going to waste putting so much effort into making games so far below their skill level. I do not think there is anything wrong with holding a developer to some standard of delivery especially when they have proven to be so good in the past?



DKII said:
The only thing I don't really get about Wii Sports 2 is how it's supposed to work with such a focus on single-player, when the main appeal of the original was the multi-player.

 

When i go to my friend's house ,one got Ps3 and one got Wii.I see this

and

But my friend that own Ps3 don't have a daughter(he's single) ,so i decided to add a girl in Ps3 side to make it equal.(and all characters above're made up ,because i didn't wanna draw my friends face.lol)

So I think Nintendo already know people happy when they see someone happy and if you are a family man ,why won't you do not want to see you childs happy?This maybe a reason why many one buy Wii.

And i'm so sorry that i didn't check Vaio profile 1st before say something fool ,maybe because i saw his topic about Wii before go to bed.And wake up again and see his topic about Wii again.

 

I'm accept ,i'm foolish and really should be a troll.