What are you talking about?

We're talking about installs, which just happened in Febraury?  What two years are you talking about?

This is what I am talking about. All of these were known since day one.

LOL.  I was just about to post the exact same thing.

The 360 is loud? Thank you, Captain Obvious...

Optical drives have wear and tear problems? What else is new?

It's always good to have lower loading times? No shit, Sherlock...

Which is exactly what he was referring to about DMJ posting stuff that we've known since launch and DMJ was trying to insinuate that these were just "recent" discoveries...

@smbu2000: Yep, all of that was of course directed at DMeisterJ.

ah, ok, gotcha! :D

No...  People definitely were trying to downplay all of the things that I stated in that post. 

That wasn't the point of my post, but those things were definitely stated before, when people tried to downplay RRoD and all things associated with it.

@DMeisterJ: Downplaying loading times doesn't seem outlandish to me... They're not good to have, but nothing too bad either.

Downplaying the DVD drive wear and tear problem doesn't seem too bad to me either, after all it doesn't seem that many people are having problems with 360's drive (although of course this might change in the future).

This leaves us with your claim that some people spinned things by downplaying 360's loudness problem. You're probably right, but just because people downplayed it, it doesn't mean they didn't acknowledge it's a real problem. Even the people who downplayed it have the right to be happy that they now have an option to play 360 games with less noise. Maybe some people were delusional to the point of denying this problem, but to that I'd give a similar answer as the one I gave above when we were talking about optional installs.

It seems to me that you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to throw at 360 fanboys.

just got back from work and thought id ask a quick question.

i do not have a problem with 360 installs, in fact i think its a good idea and mabey developers cud even take advantage of it someday.

my problem is. il put it this way............

you have 13gig approx on your 20gig hd. if you copy a game lets say halo 3 or gear 2. taking in Mind a 7gig install from the game, that wud leave u with 6gig left on your hd. meaning possibly u can only install 1 game on a 20gig hd. i reckon there r about 14-15 million 20gig machines wud they all need to upgrade thier hard drives to enjoy multiple game installs and movies?

i feel its a jab at ppl 2 try and get them to buy bigger hardrives,