Bitter tears, etc etc.

I´m sorry but you are wrong again... FF13 is not developed to take full use of the PS3, is developed from the PC and the port it the PS3, the same goes with the 360, I´m really sorry that you can´t understand this, but try to research more about the WhiteEngine/Crystal tools and you will find it, they are not going for optimization on one platform they are aiming for easy and cheap multiplat developtment and this can only be achieved when you left out a big chunk of especialized code...

Again, once the game is finished, it will be ported to the PS3 (I´m no surprised if they are constantly porting the game in order to check that all is going like they want), realeased on Japan, and then making the translation and port to the 360 (Easier and more clean like all the devs have stated before)...

Cristaltools = middleware to port from the PC to console... I´m really sorry that you really don´t know what are you talking about but and since a lot of people here have prove you wrong, I shouldn´t be surprised...

Edit: And just to show it to you...

http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/02/finalfantasy.html

"SAN FRANCISCO -- 'Crystal Tools' is the new name of Square Enix's company-wide 3-D game development engine, and it'll support Wii.

At Game Developers Conference, Taku Murata, GM of Square Enix's research and development division, announced the new name and more details on the multiplatform development tools, originally called "White Engine."

Although "White Engine" was originally announced in 2006 as a PlayStation 3 game creation platform, it has since become multiplatform, including Xbox 360 and PC capabilities."

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/22/gdc08-square-enix-unveils-crystal-tools-engine/

"Murata explained the new technical direction of the company for the new generation of gaming platforms. "This is the first time Square Enix has made a technology platform that could be used across the entire company."

The platforms being targeted are PS3, Xbox 360 and Windows PC, although he noted that "some of our technologies support Wii. It's not 100% yet, so that's why I didn't put it up [on the slide] yet." He noted that in the past, Square Enix has made games specifically for one platform. However, that's not what they're interested in pursuing in the future. "In the past that approach, that worked and at the time I believe that was the right approach."

Currently, the Crystal Tools engine is being used for Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, and a new MMORPG . Unfortunately, no other details could be provided for any of these three projects."

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/889/889012p1.html

1:15 - FF XIII is being developed using the Crystal Tools engine, which will be used for Versus, and the MMORPG.

1:20 - Reminding people that, hey, they've done multiplatform stuff using the Crystal Tools before. FF XI anyone?

1:24 - Turns out the answer is "It's hard to explain, but we're doing it." To clarify (thanks cute clarification lady!) they're building it on a PC, for the PS3 then will be working on porting to 360.

There you go, building it on a PC, then port it to the PS3 and then will be ported to the 360 by a different team...

By the way:

Porting is the process of adapting software so that an executable program can be created for a computing environment that is different from the one for which it was originally designed.

So, it is build on the PC, put in on the PS3 would imply a port...

Wow man I am really sorry to do this to you.

Porting is the process of adapting software so that an executable program can be created for a computing environment that is different from the one for which it was originally designed.

Say your argument is correct that 360 AND ps3 are BOTH the target platforms. In that case, the games would be created "FOR A COMPUTING ENVIRONMENT THAT IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE FOR WHICH IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED"

To Prove that it is being developed FOR the ps3, i bring to mention your own quoting of cute clarification lady (1:24 they're building it on a PC, for the PS3 then will be working on porting to 360.)

Building it on a pc, for the ps3. Not for the pc. If the games original intent was FOR the PC, then the term "port" would apply.

This in turn also proves that your argument of 360 AND PS3 being the target platform is also false by means of the cute clarificatin lady. In fact, you should have just listened to her in the first place.

I hope you feel about yourself the way I feel about you right now. For 3615 posts i thought maybe you would have something more meaningful to say.

It is developed for the PS3, but is being ported from the PC, let me put it for you in this way, do you think that the devs are going to build the engine for the PS3, then put on the dev kid start the debugger and run it every time they want to prove something???

And they are not going to take the PS3 version and port it to the 360, they are going to use their tools to port it from the PC to the 360...

Neither the PS3 or the 360, are the main figures this time, this time the main actor if the middleware, they want tools to make multiplatform tittle, they make it work on the PC and the port to the PS3 in order to check that everything is working, like the UT Engine, or Capcom with DMC4, they are not working directly on the PS3 dev kits, since they don´t want that path, that solution is obsolete to them and other devs are working on the same solution (UnrealEngine, CryEngine2, CrystalTools) all of them run on the PC and all of them can build ports to the consoles...

The game is made with the Crystal tools from the PC to the PS3 and the 360

The 360 version is a port in the same sense as the PS3 version

The crystal tools where not developed "for cgi manipulation" as you put it, is a full middleware solution

And I already put a better definition of a port rather than yours:

"Look when I say port, I mean that FF13 is being developed with the ps3 capabilities and specs in mind. After that the 360 version is getting the version that the ps3 is getting so long as the framerates hold out.

I'm sorry you don't understand what "port" means. But theres the definition, pretty much."

Unless you can really find evidence to support your claims I will no go any further on this, you can say whatever you want but if you can´t understand what a port is or what are the aims of the company there is no point on keep arguing this...

OMG

LISTEN,
YOUR DEFINITION OF PORT GOES AGAINST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
"Porting is the process of adapting software so that an executable program can be created for a computing environment that is different from the one for which it was originally designed."


IT IS BEING DESIGNED FOR THE PS3 AS CUTE CLARIFICATION LADY EXPLAINS. YOUR DEFINITION SAYS "FOR WHICH IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED" NOT ON WHAT PLATFORM IT WAS DESIGNED ON!!!!!!!

http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/07/final-fantasy-1.html
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=587362
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=154598
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=479378

Since you looked up the definition of port on wikipedia, know it all, i also went there using your definition as a search item. I found this quote at the bottom of the page.

"Porting is also the term used when a computer game designed to run on one platform, be it a personal computer or a video game console, is converted to run on a different platform. Earlier video game "ports" were often not true ports, but rather reworked versions of the games. However, more and more video games are now being developed using software that can output code for PCs as well as for one or more consoles. Many early ports suffered significant gameplay quality issues because the hardware of PCs and consoles differed so dramatically."

FF13 is designed for ps3. Not for PC, not for 360. Therefore it does not meet the criteria listed in your "Wiki-nition".

You can program something using anything, as long as the target platform is what it is being used on, (console, calculator, sandwich, who cares what) it is not a port. It becomes a port when that program is then altered to be used on something else.

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_e30802_home.html

Square Enix has gone PC. On the first day of the show, the Japanese game publisher announced that Final Fantasy XIII is coming to PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 (in Europe and North America only) and PC. During a press conference following the Microsoft event, Final Fantasy XIII Producer Yoshinori Kitase discussed the new development strategy that Square Enix has taken with its upcoming games.

Aside from the new The Last Remnant game, which is being created for Xbox 360 and PS3 using Epic Games’ Unreal Engine 3 externally, all new internally-developed games from Square Enix, including Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, and an untitled new massively multiplayer online game, utilize the new PC-based Crystal Tools development environment. These tools allow development teams to create cross-platform games.

"The content will be the same on all platforms," said Kitase. "However, we have yet to determine how many discs will be required for the 360 version. We'll have to consider the differences between formats. Currently the game is being built on PC, where it's actually functional. We're still focusing on making it work on PS3, so it's difficult to know how long the process of taking it to 360 will take."

Thanks to the new PC development platform, Kitase added, "Now that we're developing on a PC base, the pace is going a bit faster," Kitase said. "We haven't introduced new footage of the game, but we should be able to show something new in the near future."

Square Enix showed the beautiful pre-rendered trailer for Final Fantasy XIII at the end of the Microsoft press conference. The publisher has a big event scheduled for Tokyo next month where the first new information will be revealed on all Final Fantasy titles. Previously, the publisher released its online game, Final Fantasy XII, on Xbox 360 and PC.

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@FJ-Warez

Please just stop already man. You've embarassed this guy enough. Just let him think he's right. He's been owned this entire topic and is just finding something he can claim a win on. Be a nice guy and give him the win.

ROFL, ur funny. But don't let me stop you from trying to argue about things you have no prior or future intent of understanding. :P

btw: i think the rest of vgchartz pwned him when there is pretty much a consensus (disparity will only grow from here on out) that the ps3 version is not a "port".

but like i said b4, don't let me stop you.