Okay, I can agree with this more then.

Absolutely, the guys making high end graphics engines may leave the Japanese market. I do expect loads of clever and intelligent people to make games for these systems, but the 10 million+ costs associated with high end graphical development may be a thing of the past there. Personally, that wouldn't bother me at all, as my favorite games are Half Life mods, Starcraft, and World of Warcraft, which are currently (along with Unreal Tournament) the premier professional gaming venues in the world. The former two are ten years old, and the latter one is three years old, and was already graphically outdated the day it was released. 

It's really a pretty small niche that you're targeting here, Rocket. Clearly, casuals don't care much about super-advanced graphical engines. And I can tell you from experience -- and from the clear evidence -- that super hardcore, professional gamers don't care very much, either. It's those in between that seems to want graphical progression so badly.

 They got it from the same article like you guys did: Check their thread!

Clever and intelligent people will keep making games for the Japanese, that much is certain. But IMO, those games will have a tighter budget than they did half a decade ago because they might not sell anywhere else. I'm not knocking the quality of the games, I'm questioning how publishers are going to react to these trends we're seeing.

And I realize that professional gamers aren't all about the visual bells and whistles, I spent much of 1999-2003 playing PC competitely and I played WoW for over a year. It takes too much time to build up a community large enough to run competitions to have a graphically modern game be so popular. But that doesn't mean that those games weren't technically outstanding when they released (with the exception being WoW and that's due to the developmental schedule of an MMO, not its team's technical ability). Half-Life 1/2, SC, UT, etc. were all state-of-the-art when they released.

Wii sports just sell a lot because it is combined in many countries with buying a Wii especially in Europe.
Also there was no other game where you could play so good with the wii remote.

With PS2 Sony offered many new things like Singstar, Eye Toy, Guitar hero.....
With PS3 we only know for sure Eye of judgement.

Edit this is the thread where I was talking about: http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=114019&page=1 

But Counter Strike wasn't. Nor was Team Fortress. Star Craft was semi-state of the art -- they left off a lot of bells and whistles so that more people would be able to play right off the bat (Blizzard never pushes graphical boundries for this precise reason). 

Regardless, this wouldn't change my point; even if they were state of the art when they were released -- and again, most weren't -- people kept playing them for 3,5,7,10 years after they no longer were, which suggests it was the gameplay that mattered in the first place, not the graphics. 

It's simple logic, really: casual gamers care about fun. That's clear, with cooking mama style games selling so well to them. Professional gamers care about skill oriented games -- it really doesn't matter much how it looks, as long as skill plays an important factor.

Otherwise, I agree with you. It... sounds like you're criticizing, but you're really not, I guess. Japan will still see a lot of great games, but I do agree it's possible that a lot less of those games will have giant, ten million dollar graphics engines. If I were to detect anything in your tone, it sounds like you think this is a bad thing, and that advancing graphics has some inherent worth; if that's true, I disagree. 

True, CS wasn't state of the art when it released (anyone who played beta 6 or older realizes this), but CS was really ligtning in a bottle. I don't ever expect to see that again. Connection speeds were going broadband (allowing cheap home servers), more people were buying home PCs, and Valve decided to embrace the mod community unexpectedly. While HL was advanced for its time, CS, being a mod, was not. So I guess we can split that one. :D

You're right about Blizzard though. They never really push tech but they always offer a solid middle ground to allow the most access possible. While not groundbreaking stuff, their games never look bad nor are they behind the times.

I'm not saying that a transition away from cutting-edge tech is a bad thing at all. The intent of my posts are just to show that I expect developers to start treating Japan very differently over the next few years. Since I do enjoy pretty graphics (but only if solid gameplay follows), I hope it doesn't bleed into the NA and EU markets too much. But I don't expect it will since the two markets are large enough to support their own tastes and preferences.

Take for example Forza 2 and the H3 beta. There are plenty of people out there who complain about its lack of AA, bloom effects, etc. But both games run like a brick s***house online (and in Forza's case, offline) and that's what really matters to me.

When I said on gametrailers that it only sold 7K because no other people wants it They answered with this

[QUOTE=trane07;2768584]PV、体験版が好評ながらもセールス的には読みづらかった「FolksSoul 失われた伝承」が出だし好調な売上を記録。発注を抑えていた店舗も多く、出荷数も少なかったた めに売り切れ店が続出している。といっても、今日メーカーからの再出荷があるため、明日には流通に乗り、週 末には店頭で買えると思われる。が、それでも追加発注を渋っている店舗も少なからずあると思われるので、確 実に手に入れ たい人は予約での確保をオススメ。

TRANSLATED as follows:-


Trial version favorable comment you read sales and the づ and others applied "FolksSoul handing down which is lost" starts coming out, favorable sale recording. It sells out because the store where order was held down is many, also the numbers of shipments is few the store has appeared. With saying, because there is re-shipment from the present manufacturer, it is thought that it rides in circulation in tomorrow, weekend can buy with the shop front. Because, even then is thought additional order, that also the store where it has faltered is little as for the person who would like to insert in the hand securely guaranty with reservation the recommendation

Read next time before you run your mouth. over 20,000 was preordered, but only 7 thousand was bought because that's all that they had. There currently aren't anymore copies of folksoul. Hence the word "sold out" fanboys will make anyway out of NO way.[/QUOTE]

So I AM WHOLE CONFUSED NOW........ So VG Chartz is lieing possible with the Wii fanboys but Gametrailers can be a lie to because of the PS3 fanboys.

 1. Wii is a cheap thing and if you want to test his wii mote power at the biggest way you have to buy Wii sports,

 2. True true but it are innovations. You said only new improved graphics and with PS2 you saw a console don't need inovations only the games

Eye Toy judgement a hit or a fail I don't know it looks cool, will I buy it? I don't know but for me it is an innovation.

 The thing is that those "non-games" are only called that by gamers who don't understand how they could be games. That doesn't mean they aren't actually games.

Okay, that's cool Rocketpig. I think it's this paragraph here:

"I'm not saying that a transition away from cutting-edge tech is a bad thing at all. The intent of my posts are just to show that I expect developers to start treating Japan very differently over the next few years. Since I do enjoy pretty graphics (but only if solid gameplay follows), I hope it doesn't bleed into the NA and EU markets too much. But I don't expect it will since the two markets are large enough to support their own tastes and preferences. "

that I could feel underlying all your other comments. I'm not trying to attack or insult you here; I could just tell, based on tone, that even while you say thatyou respect the preferences of the Japanese gaming market, I detected a hint of... anger, disgust, or fear, and this is probably where it came from. Again, it's not an insult, it's a totally normal reaction. Japanese gaming interests no longer mirror your own, at all, and you're simply worried about how this will affect the quality and number of games that reflect your own preferences. 

Does that seem fair? Because there's a reason why people lashed out at you, and I suggested you were being "surprisingly myopic" (I'm not saying they, or I, should have reacted the way we did, I'm just saying there is a reason you got more flack for this post than you have almost any other post on these forums. "That's unfair" or "I strongly disagree" would have been better reactions than calling you an idiot). There was definitely a hint of something bitter in your post, and I've just been trying to figure out what it is.