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You can shine the light all you want but they will just refuse to look. If you want any of the Sony fans to admit they were wrong or that the 360 is a good console it's not gonna happen. Just take the lack of responses as a win.



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Due to sony's unwillingness to moneyhat JRPG's I'm pretty positive the 360 will stay ahead of it throughout this gen. However I believe the wii with its market dominance in Japan will eventually eclipse the 360 JRPG lineup. The 360 should stay the leader of the WRPGs though.



zexen_lowe said:

That's why I posted it was debatable. And I haven't played Folklore, so I can't judge it. But there is no way to think of Culdcept as an RPG. Call it board game, call it turn based strategy, call it card collecting. But don't call it RPG. Folklore certainly has way more RPG elements than Culdcept

Hmm. Quite a few people call Culdcept Saga an RPG. It's on a few RPG sites, and if you google "Culdcept Saga RPG" it returns around 125,000 websites that label it an RPG. And I don't understand: What's not RPG about Culdcept Saga? Every monster has HP and SP. You can level them up in certain attribute-effecting ways, gold, turn based, and so forth. Yes, it's a board game too, but so is D&D.

 



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Leetgeek said:
Oh we can quote now Mr. Stick? because I don't know if that would go in your favor.

 

You can quote me all you want. Here's one.

 

With the announcement of FFXIII, new Fable 2 footage, and exclusive content announced for the Xbox 360 version of Fallout 3, E3 has once again cemented Microsoft's dedication to the RPG genre, and 360 owners worldwide should get their talking points ready. The 360 isn't just a FPS machine any longer.

What's ironic is the fact that many, if not most PS3 owners made their initial console purchase on the assumption that their favorite console, the Playstation 2, would maintain some loyalty from the JRPG publishers to the next generation itteration of that system, but so far that has not proven to the be case. With Microsoft posessing a strong lineup of old and new RPGs, and the Playstation 3 currently featuring very few, it appears the balance has shifted when it comes to the best brand for current gen RPGs, if fanboys want to admit it or not.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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jman8 said:
Riachu said:
jman8 said:
The truth is that while the 360 is getting the most JRPGs this generation, they don't have the kind of support that the PS1 or PS2 had. Instead the 360 has to share its "dominance" with the DS and PS3. A victory? Sure. Somewhat hollow? Yep.

S-E said that they wanted to give support to all three consoles so I don't think there will be a clear cut winner for most JRPGs.

 

 

Exactly. The only way you're going to choose the 360 over the other 2 consoles is if JRPGs are your absolute favorite games. And if you do choose the 360, you'll still be missing out on a number of very good ones on the PS3 and DS. Or you if you're really that much in love with the genre, you'll buy multiple systems.

So, if 360 has a superior lineup of J/W RPGs, what does the PS3 have a superior lineup of?

 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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zexen_lowe said:

I still can't be convinced that the 360 is the clear winner in the JRPG department. It may have a slight advantage, but nothing I've seen points to the 360 as THE platform for JRPGs. Let's take a look (I'll left out bad raten games like Enchanted Arms or Operation Darkness):

360 JRPGs
Blue Dragon (not a great game, going by RPGFan)
Lost Odyssey
FF XIII
Vesperia (which probably will go to the PS3)
Star Ocean 4 (may or may not go to ps3)
Cry On (we've seen nothing)
Infinite Undiscovery
Eternal Sonata
Last Remnant

PS3
Folklore (genre is debatable)
Eternal Sonata
FFXIII
FF Versus XIII (may or may not go to 360)
Valkyria Chronicles
Disgaea 3
White Knight Story
Last Remnant

It's the 360 lineup superior? Yes. By much? No. Plus, a lot of titles haven't been anounced. Nippon said that after Disgaea they'll put their next title on the PS3. Konami hasn't said where Suikoden will go. Atlus has said where SMT will go (though they announced a SMT PS3 game in 2005, they haven't confirmed it). Level 5 may be working on Dark Cloud 3. In all, I think it's pretty early to declare a winner in the JRPG library. Surely, Microsoft improved their position compared to last gen, and Sony worsened it. but I see no reason to declare this as a battle for Microsoft yet

 

Well, if you count the fact that you can get a lot of JRPG games earlier on the 360, as well as the fact that this topic is about RPGs in general and not just JRPGs, then I'd consider your post cherrypicking in a very vague sense of the word. While we can't claim a winner yet, SE is definatley in for the long haul of supporting the 360, and as it currently stands, 360 has a monumental lead.

 

We can't call the Wii the winner of this gen yet either, but as you know all too well, the lead is undeniable.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

360 has the current edge in RPGs.  But MS bought a lot of them (that's not the real objection...wait for it...) and I don't think they are helping to sell 360s, and certainly they are not having much effect in Japan.  When considered as part of the whole "let's win Japan" campaign, MS's RPGs buyoffs are part of a net dollar loss.



Loud_Hot_White_Box said:

360 has the current edge in RPGs. But MS bought a lot of them (that's not the real objection...wait for it...) and I don't think they are helping to sell 360s, and certainly they are not having much effect in Japan. When considered as part of the whole "let's win Japan" campaign, MS's RPGs buyoffs are part of a net dollar loss.

That's why they need to depend of sales in the West

 



no, the undisputed king is the ps2.

and 80%+ of the RPG on the xbox are just timed exclusives.



mrstickball said:
zexen_lowe said:

That's why I posted it was debatable. And I haven't played Folklore, so I can't judge it. But there is no way to think of Culdcept as an RPG. Call it board game, call it turn based strategy, call it card collecting. But don't call it RPG. Folklore certainly has way more RPG elements than Culdcept

Hmm. Quite a few people call Culdcept Saga an RPG. It's on a few RPG sites, and if you google "Culdcept Saga RPG" it returns around 125,000 websites that label it an RPG. And I don't understand: What's not RPG about Culdcept Saga? Every monster has HP and SP. You can level them up in certain attribute-effecting ways, gold, turn based, and so forth. Yes, it's a board game too, but so is D&D.

 

 Culdcept lacks a lot of the qualities normally used to define an RPG. It is easier to call Zelda an RPG than it is to call Culdcept one.

 First off, the story is detrimental to the game. The game works a thousand times better if you simply remove all the dialogue and just play the game. There is nothing compelling or engrossing about it. You don't even meet any interesting side characters to spruce things up. You just get terrible dialogue and shitty excuses to suddenly fight with cards. The entire story concept was essentially stolen from Yugioh.

 Secondly, there is no way to level up your monsters. None at all. Certain ones have special abilities that increase this stat or the other occasionally, but those are temporary effects 99% of the time. You can level up a land, but the land and creature are only incidentally related. If I have a level 5 land, I can easily swap whatever creature is on it for another one with no penalty. It remains a level 5 land (with all the bonuses that come with that) with a new creature on top.

 Thirdly, there is nothing that is close to equivalent to EXP. Nothing that is even remotely similar to it in fact. The mechanic is entirely absent from the game. 

 There are a number of other smaller issues like the almost complete lack of equipment, shops, etc but I am too lazy to go into all that. I will sum it up by saying the game is a cross between Magic: the Gathering and Monopoly. Download the demo and play it and you will understand why the game is not a RPG. The demo will show you almost exactly what the rest of the game will be like. All you are missing is deck construction which does nothing to make it feel more RPGish.



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