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JaggedSac on 04 July 2008
RolStoppable said:
JaggedSac said:
RolStoppable said:

It's not just RRoD, there's much more to it. The image of the first Xbox prevented the 360 from selling better as well. What was that image? The Halobox or the shooterbox, mainly because the biggest exclusive games for the Xbox were FPS games and there wasn't much else that stood out.

The 360 still couldn't get fully rid of the image of being the shooterbox although the variety of genres did improve compared to Microsoft's first console. Nevertheless, a lot of people see the 360 as a console that is heavily catering to American tastes which explains the mediocre sales in Europe and the horrible sales in Japan. A lot of the best games for the 360 are available on PC and/or PS3 as well, that doesn't help either.

Another Xbox system would have to overcome the image of being a console for Americans AND being an unreliable system. Certainly these things won't prevent 360 fans from buying Microsoft's next system, but how high are the chances that people who dislike or don't care for the 360 would buy the next Xbox?

The same odds that the 360 outsells the regular XBox. As long as M$ continues to expand its ever increasingly amazing game library, gamers will flock. They might not have a system that is placed in retirement homes and cruise ship game rooms, but who gives a shit.

Most of the growth in hardware sales can be attributed to the 12 month head start over the competition instead of launching 12-18 months later. That fact alone led to a large difference in available software compared to its competition and gave the 360 a big advantage over the situation the Xbox was in.

Really..because they are selling more weekly now than they did when they started, shouldn't the release of the PS3 have caused a major drop in sales since it is such a superior product compared to M$'s shitty product.

 



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Torillian on 04 July 2008

Don't be a whiner Jagged, Rol never said the 360 was shitty. Don't put words in his mouth just so you can bitch about stuff that was never said.



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thekitchensink on 04 July 2008

Anything can happen. Last generation, would anyone have predicted complete Nintendo domination, with Sony scrapping it out with Microsoft for sloppy seconds? Didn't think so.

Anything can happen.



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mike_intellivision on 04 July 2008

The problem for Microsoft is that it can't sell in Japan. So it gives away 15%-20% of the market. It would have to run up very large leads elsewhere to be the worldwide leader if it could not figure out a way to change its fortunes in the Far East.

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JaggedSac on 04 July 2008
RolStoppable said:
JaggedSac said:
RolStoppable said:

Most of the growth in hardware sales can be attributed to the 12 month head start over the competition instead of launching 12-18 months later. That fact alone led to a large difference in available software compared to its competition and gave the 360 a big advantage over the situation the Xbox was in.

Really..because they are selling more weekly now than they did when they started, shouldn't the release of the PS3 have caused a major drop in sales since it is such a superior product compared to M$'s shitty product.

I guess I have to rephrase my previous post.

The Xbox launched 12-18 months later than the PS2 and thus always had far less games than its competition. The 360 launched 12 months earlier than the competition and thus always had more games available than its competition. This did let the 360 enjoy an advantage that the Xbox never had which made it possible for the 360 to easily outsell its predecessor (not yet, but it will definitely happen).

Now the next Xbox won't be able to have the same advantage over the 360 than what the 360 had over the Xbox. In the best case scenario it can only reproduce the 360's conditions on the market, i.e. the 12 month head start over the competition which will lead to an advantage in software early in the generation. For that reason the chances that the next Xbox outsells the 360 are lower (or the % margin by what it will) than the chances the 360 had to outsell the Xbox.

You make a very good point.  But if we are basing next generations on previous generations the Wii should be nowhere near where it is now.  It is not based on any definable attribute.  Sales for anything is like a landslide.  Once the media starts a frenzy over something, the thing will sell in droves.  That is the sad thing about the world, the masses are media driven consumers.  Once you crack the surface of the media, ala Apple, you are made.  Previous products make no difference at all.

 



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Valkyria00 on 04 July 2008

Anythings possible but no.
Especially if they never get a stronghold in Japan. If they can never do that than no chance in hell. If they manage to do that than they have a better chance but still low chance.



supermario128 on 04 July 2008

Maybe if they partner up with Nintendo.




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Slimebeast on 04 July 2008

Of course MS can be number 1 some day. Why would two Japanese companies be able to do it, but an American couldn't?

Japan isn't a big gaming market anymore, because the world is getting bigger. Japan's share of console sales is already less than 15%, and it's a country with a shrinking population while we have huge new markets like China, Korea, India, Russia, Brazil and Mexico knocking on the door.

BTW, there is no law that says Western made electronics can never sell in Japan.

In the last decade we have seen a huge Sony and a tiny Sony, a tiny Nintendo and a huge Nintendo, and we've seen MS perform in the middle. What do we know about the video gaming market looking a decade into the future?


EDIT: RolStoppable wrote a good analysis about the Xbox vs X360 vs Xbox 3, and I agree that MS might be limited by the Xbox brand and what it stands for. But so does Sony with Playstation. And I can imagine MS abandon the Xbox name for something completely different much easier than I can see Sony abandon the PS brand.



JGarret on 04 July 2008

Rol, what´s your Mario Kart Wii FC?...I´d like to add you, mine´s in my sig if you´d like to add me.



Slimebeast on 04 July 2008
RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

In the last decade we have seen a huge Sony and a tiny Sony, a tiny Nintendo and a huge Nintendo, and we've seen MS perform in the middle. What do we know about the video gaming market looking a decade into the future?

Care to elaborate why Nintendo was tiny during a part of the last decade, but Microsoft was performing in the middle?

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What is your question? If you object to MS being "in the middle" in last gen, then I stand corrected. MS was tiny as well. But they are middle in this gen. Kinda.