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Dual analog isn't that bad actually, surely no the best...
Just in case it's necessary I HAVE used Wiimote set-up, 360 controller, Gamecube controller for shooters.
Don't take my opinion to high, cause I was capable of playing an N64 shooter recently.



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TheBigFatJ said:
quigontcb said:
I really didn't notice the auto-aim thing until I started playing online. It has screwed me up a few times when I'm aiming at an opponent. I'll be aiming and then another opponent runs through the cursor, dragging it off of my original target. I really should just check the options and cut the darn thing off completely.

 

You can't.  Dual analog is a poor control method for shooters and, like others have said, you wouldn't be able to hit anything without the game aiming for you.  Your best bet is to just have the sensitivity set high and try to flick past your enemies and it will begin tracking on them.  It's a different method than actually aiming at them, but that's Halo I guess.

I don't know, I guess I'm just used to a more hardcore shooting experience like Metroid Prime 3.  It doesn't do auto-aim and it requires you to be a hell of a lot more precise.  Sure, you can lock on (lock on free-aim for bosses), but it's not helpful except in tracking where the hell the enemy is moving because you usually have to lead them manually.  Auto aim would actually make you usually miss in Metroid Prime 3.

 

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Strategyking92 said:

 

get out.

 

I guess I'd just say that Halo 3 is a very casual game compared to Metroid Prime 3.  I could list a ton of reasons, but the biggest being that the game aims for you, egregiously, and that the level of challange overall is lower (bosses, enemies move slower, target points are larger, etc).

I don't know.  I own both -- that's just my impression.  And you?



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TheBigFatJ said:
Strategyking92 said:

 

get out.

 

I guess I'd just say that Halo 3 is a very casual game compared to Metroid Prime 3.  I could list a ton of reasons, but the biggest being that the game aims for you, egregiously, and that the level of challange overall is lower (bosses, enemies move slower, target points are larger, etc).

I don't know.  I own both -- that's just my impression.  And you?

 

It depends what type of casual you mean.  If you mean people who like to play core-like games every once in a while (Madden, Halo players) than yes Metroid is more hardcore.

If you mean people who play for hours and hours honing their skills, than more of those people are attracted to Halo 3 because it is competitive and is pretty on a big screen.  Metroid is not competitive and is not as pretty on a big screen.

If we are only talking about controls, yes Metroid is more Hardcore.  A little bit harder to pick up, but once you have it down you have way more control.


Unfortunately, they didn't include multiplayer and if they had it would have been missing Live, PSN, EAnation like elements, it would not have been coming off of Halo 2 one of the most popular games of last gen, it would not have been the game that "everyone" was waiting for, and still would not have been as successful.

I'm going to go play, MP3 Sins of a Solar Empire right now.



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TheBigFatJ said:

I was playing more Halo 3 on my 360 last night and I was getting frustrated by the auto aim.  Yes, dual analog was not designed to aim quickly or efficiently, but I'm at terms with that and I don't mind.  I don't see why it needs to be compensated for so much.  Most of the enemies in Halo 3 already move like they're in slow motion, giving players plenty of time to aim (this is in stark contrast with, for example, Metroid Prime 3 where you have to aim very precisely and very quickly while dodging attacks).

The auto aim is egregious.  I employ the "flick" method to aim and somehow I was 'tracking' slow-moving enemies through the air.  I don't want the game to aim for me.  The enemies barely move as it is.

For those of you who have played Metroid Prime 3 and Halo 3, do you find the contrast stark?  In MP3 the enemies and bosses  moved so quickly and required such accurate aiming that I'm more used to fast-paced precision than enemies moving in slow motion and the game aiming for you.  The ice boss in Metroid Prime 3 is a perfect example of how fast bosses can be, and the boss with the "eyes" that you have to shoot is a perfect example of the precision required.

I realize that the Wii mote has a natural advantage over the 360's controller for shooters, but I still think the constast between the two games is amazing.

 

Weird, I have pretty much the opposite conclusion as you in terms of which game (Halo 3 or Metroid Prime 3) provides too much assistance.  As long as you lock onto anyone in Metroid prime, the game puts them centers them in your view (at least along the horizontal axis), with the result that you don't need to track your enemy yourself in MP3.    Yeah sometimes, they might have weak-points or targets slightly displaced where the camera centers, but it still stands that as long as you locked on something in MP3, you follow the enemies movements at all.  It doesn't matter that the ice boss is zipping around, cause as long as you hold the lock button, he'll always be in the center of screen.

Did I miss an option to eliminate this auto-centering or something?  (I believe I did turn on lock-on free aim , but it still centers your target for, you just have to move the aiming reticule near the center yourself.)

I don't really see what you're saying about leading your targets being that crucial either.  You also seem to neglect that locked-on missiles  home (multi missiles, at least can't remember if ice ones do too), and missiles do a ton more damage that your normal canon.  You also don't have to lead too much since the canon fires a beam that's near instantaneous.



Loved both games but I dont see mp3 controls as the second coming of Christ like some people do I guess having the auto lock targeting is good?

And the turning mechanics left something to be desired but thats me! I loved both games but as for tight controls and aiming being better on the wii I dont see it!

Gonna try MOH 2 on wii and see if its better.

but if MP3 floats your boat enjoy. I personally think this is another atempt to start wii 360 wars when reallyn is theres no comparison!

Halo3 offers a way different experience then MP3

Part of the experience on a console shooter compared to a mouse and keyboard is everyones on the same hardware a more level playing field.

Also has anyone seen a difference on the Wii when plaing on a 50 inch tv to a 25 inch if the controls are tighter and what size tv are you all on?????



TheBigFatJ said:
Strategyking92 said:

 

get out.

 

I guess I'd just say that Halo 3 is a very casual game compared to Metroid Prime 3.  I could list a ton of reasons, but the biggest being that the game aims for you, egregiously, and that the level of challange overall is lower (bosses, enemies move slower, target points are larger, etc).

I don't know.  I own both -- that's just my impression.  And you?

I was just joking. But, do you really consider that game hardcore?  I've heard it is more like an adventure game than a shooter.

But it doesn't aim for you, I don't know if your copy is bugged or what. For example: try playing legendary. Ihad beat nothing but the campaigns on normal, when I tried legendary, I got raped (grenades EVERYWHERE)

I am stumped on this one.



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Well why would a nintendo-fan say halo is better than mp3. :) Just go and praise your favorite game at nintendo-forums. Don't troll here.

ps.

MP was very hardcorez, with that dumb aim lock made for nintendo-fans.