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LordTheNightKnight on 15 June 2007
Blue3 said:
HappySqurriel said:

People call Sony arrogant more for how they treat their customers than what they promise ...

Both the PSP and PS3 are examples of a company which believes that their customers will pay any price for any product that has the word "Playstation" written on it; I could be alone, but I believe that both the PSP and PS3 represent a departure from the strategy which made the Playstation and PS2 successful.


ok there.

it can be easily said Wii is a example of a company which believes that their customers will pay any price for their underpowerd console just because its the new thing Nintendo. $250 for somethig with equall power to the original xbox that now cost $100. Thats supposed to be treating their customers great ?

 

 

 


 The Xbox NEVER cost that little to make. That's why Microsoft's gaming division lost so much money in the 6th gen.

 As for the Wii, it isn't an Xbox. Even around that power, it's a redesign meant to be slimmer, quiter, and more power efficient. The motion controls aren't cheap right now either. Plus the Xbox doesn't come with a game.

 Ignore those all you want, it still won't make your gouging claims true. 



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KruzeS on 15 June 2007
vizunary said:

Sorry, but these aren't toys, at least in the same essence that they are associated with children, anymore(which may in fact be the problem), other than in the sense "boys and their toys" electronics/cars/guns/whatever sayings. As for mommy and daddy paying for it, NO that would be a Wii(this is NOT an insult, parents do buy these for themselves and their kids). Mommy and Daddy would never(ok well maybe daddy might) spend $600 on junior's games. The main demographic of PS3/360 owners are probably 25+ males with good jobs. A PS3 and a 360 are serious electronics, high definition, networking capabilities, wifi, bluetooth, blu-ray, d/lable music/movies, etc. They are in as much toys as is your TV, computer, PDA, home theater system, car audio system, cellphone, etc is. Granted this may not be what some people want and it's true that Sony neglected a part of it's market share FOR NOW, but it will get cheaper, probably quick, and then again will be more mainstream.

I agree with you. But you have to understand that's the reason they simply will never sell 120million units, ever.

Costs will come down, maybe faster than other consoles, but does anyone really expect it to reach $129 by the time the PS4 comes out, $100 little after that? That's an 80% price reduction, more if you consider estimated cost at launch, and as consoles are expected to make a profit eventually, it means they'd have to reduce manufacturing costs by something like 90% since launch. This in 6 years, without mass producing it at PS2 levels, for what's more or less custom hardware. This something totally unheard of in video game history.

So pricewise, it will never, ever do as good as the PS2 - and price matters, even the CEO admits it now. The PS3 will never reach the same "kiddie" audiencies; the same "I'll buy a pink PS2" audiencies; or the same "party game", "Buzz the Quiz" and "Singstar Whatever" audiencies.

I mean, does anybody really think 25-35 males with good jobs are, or were, the majority? Like on the PS2!?



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vizunary on 15 June 2007

no, 25-35 yr old males are not the majority, but they are a key demographic... I'm not saying that it was a good decision AS A COMPANY took take the route they did... But, Sony (and MS to an extent) has taken this route and it's too late to change course... As for the rate of price reduction, this increases exponentially over time. If anyone can remember especially when PCs were starting to hit some lvl of mass market, it took a couple yrs for cost to go down, but now it's decreasing monthly. EDIT: I agree that PS2 numbers are a Sony execs wet dream, but to say failure is just ignorant.



Cryoakira on 15 June 2007
ckmlb said:
 

 Look at previous claims by both Microsoft and Nintendo that were also totally BS... I didn't say they aren't BS ing did you even read my post at all? or did you just read the thread title?


Yep, I read them and there is a big difference between your exemples and mines.

What you don't understand is that ppl are not calling Sony arrogant because they don't deliver what they promise (indeed, everyone does it).

Ppl are calling Sony arrogant because they keep on lying in a clumsy way, even on the standards of a 4 years'old child. They say white when everybody knows it's black. they say "i don't eat the jam" when it's all over their face. 

And if they believe ppl are stupid enough to believe obvious lies, that's because they are arrogant. And so is MS about Red Ring of death.

But there is a huge difference in "quantity" here.

 Honesty<=>modesty

 



twesterm on 15 June 2007

Back on topic, I forgot about this little thread over at Gamespot: Sony Disappointment Timeline

The thread is a whee--see that, I didn't go with the obvious joke--bit biased, but it's a good collection of articles that shows off Sony's arrogance. I'm sure there are similar things concerning Nintendo and MS, but they aren't in one handy-dandy little spot like that one is.



 

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NJ5 on 15 June 2007
twesterm said:
Back on topic, I forgot about this little thread over at Gamespot: Sony Disappointment Timeline

The thread is a whee--see that, I didn't go with the obvious joke--bit biased, but it's a good collection of articles that shows off Sony's arrogance. I'm sure there are similar things concerning Nintendo and MS, but they aren't in one handy-dandy little spot like that one is.

May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC (actually he said "as a media center", but it's still ridiculous)

October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"

Haha :D That link made my day, thanks.



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LordTheNightKnight on 15 June 2007
ckmlb said:

So everyone these days have been attacking Sony for not delivering their promise and they are claiming that if the PS3 failed it would be great because of Sony's arrogance and such.

So I found an article on 1up.com that points out past instances by other companies overpromising that has been forgotten maybe by many just to show that arrogant overpromising is not new at all in the video game industry:

"It will be as important an innovation to gaming as 3d was... Imagine games which have no 'loading' screens... Imagine games which persist all of the changes to an environment... Imagine games with real interactive music and true-to-life, non-repetitive commentary. Imagine levels 20x the size of a typical console game."

J Allard, Xbox general manager about the orginal Xbox's hard drive (Hard Drives have been a norm in PCs for years before)

"In the HD Era the platform is bigger than the processor. New technology and emerging consumer forces will come together to enable the rock stars of game development to shake up the old establishment and redefine entertainment as we know it."

J Allard, Xbox general manager about the original Xbox's HD capabilities.

"Imagine a machine with over 500 megabytes of power used only for games play... Two 16-bit processors and enough capacity to use real film imagery... CD quality sound "

Advertisement of the Sega-CD back in the day (Sega-CD was a total failure)

"By offering enhanced processing power and speed, we are confident that our CD ROM, when coupled with a Super NES, will offer a truly superior game experience to cartridge-based games"

and

"The next time when someone tells you that CD-ROM is the wave of the future, tell them that the future doesn't belong to the snails"

Nintendo Power magazine about The Superfamicom ND (also a massive failure)

I'm sure I can find so many other claims by all the 3 console makers that were complete BS and hype but I'm not going to look because it's not what I am trying to do.

What I am trying to point out is this: While Sony's overpromising should be condemned and mocked, we should always remember that they are not the first (or the last) to do this now with the PS3 and that this is a common and regrettable occurence.

In short, you would think companies would learn from their and others' mistakes and stop overpromising and overhyping only to leave people disappointed and that includes Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo and all other future console makers.


 The thing is you seem to be implying that we are acting like Sony has always been the arrogant company. Only fanboys imply that.

 Or maybe you are claiming we are only attacking Sony for arrogance, and have never attacked other companies, which makes you look like the fanboy.

 Those people got mocked back then, and we are mocking Sony for a) doing the same thing, and 2) not learning from the mistakes of the other people. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs