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Smash_Brother on 30 June 2008
Shameless said:

Nobody has 'kicked my arguments ass' because they are not actually reading what I've wrote. This thread isn't about Nintendo fans: they would have bought the console no matter what.

 

 

I guess then the only response to your OP is "And...?"

Is the Wii selling because of the innovative new control scheme? Sure. Do you have a follow up point to that?

We're starting to see some pretty solid sales for games on the console. I'm too lazy to look up the stats, but 3rd parties have still been doing quite well on the system, especially considering they spent far less to develop games on the Wii than they would the HD consoles. There's no question in my mind that curiosity behind the new control scheme has driven a lot of the Wii's sales in 1st AND 3rd party games (Raving Rabbids, Red Steel, RE4, etc.). Not to mention the lack of advertising we've seen for most 3rd party games.

If you're trying to suggest the Wii has no good games or fewer good games than the 360, consider that the 360 had a year head start and even then "good" is a highly subjective term, one which I don't think applies to the majority of the overhyped "mature" crap that shows up on the 360. Approach the situation as a neutral party and not a "fan" of any system and you'd see that I'm right. You're dealing with mostly generic shooters with a few gems here and there and some so-so JRPGs.

Even Halo 3 was a bit of a letdown for me: we played it for a week online and then eventually traded it in for store credit.



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks

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Shameless on 30 June 2008
NJ5 said:
Shameless said:
NJ5 said:
Retrasado said:

That is pefectly reasonable. (and more than likely accurate) However, you probably should have worded your OP differently. It sounded like you were saying that people were buying the Wii for the peripherals themselves, not the games that use the peripherals.

Or is that what you meant anyway? I'm confused. But if you did mean that, you're wrong.

 

He's more wrong than that, unless he can answer my last question appropriately... other than the Wii Remote, I see no peripheral which was essential for Wii's success.

 

The Balance board was successful in further expanding the market to people who aren't interested in games at all. The wheel included with Mario Kart was successful in allowing non-gamers to identify with a controller they are familiar with - the steering wheel.

The only peripheral that admittedly has not been a success is the zapper.

 

All those thing are true, but they don't mean that Wii sales are driven by those things more than games... At most, we can say those things "help" Wii sales, but we can't so easily say that they're more important than games in driving sales.

From what I read in the thread, that's the problem most people have with your reasoning.

 

Once again, I am going to reiterate that Nintendo is doing nothing new gameswise compared to last generation apart from games that are tied with peripherals. The high sales must therefore be caused by peripherals.

 



NJ5 on 30 June 2008
Shameless said:

Once again, I am going to reiterate that Nintendo is doing nothing new gameswise compared to last generation apart from games that are tied with peripherals. The high sales must therefore be caused by peripherals.

 

Once again, you have fallen on a logical trap.

Game over.

Read this three times:

The Wii only needed ONE peripheral to dominate in sales, and that's the Wiimote. As soon as the Wii came out, it didn't stop selling out. That was before all the other peripherals came out. Therefore, you can't prove your assertion. Not only can't you prove it, but it seems to be false due to many things which have already been pointed out in the thread.

Did other peripherals help sales? Yes, everything helps. Did they drive sales more than games? Nothing seems to suggest so.

 



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rudyrsr8 on 30 June 2008

It is not just that that is definitly a major part but no the sole reason, yes controller is huge but not everything. Also the market will understand that the 360 and PS3 waggle isnt the same.



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Smash_Brother on 30 June 2008
Shameless said: Once again, I am going to reiterate that Nintendo is doing nothing new gameswise compared to last generation apart from games that are tied with peripherals. The high sales must therefore be caused by peripherals.

 

 

Yes, there is no question that the Wii's innovative control scheme and refined image have made it the market leader.

And...? You're not even making a point, you're making a stop-gap to another conclusion, or you're just trolling.

One could argue that any success the 360 has is because of the headset peripheral which allows for easy online voice chat, making it the console of choice for gamers who want to play online (except for PC users who get the same privileges for free, of course).



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks

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dib8rman on 30 June 2008

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=31400&start=0

I just made that for this thread specifically.

I'm kind of sad that a fell into the depravity but it was fun... like most things deprave ;).



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Million on 30 June 2008
Shameless said:
Million said:
Take away the entire Wii games libary and then see how well it performs , chuck 20 new peripherals in there to proove my point.

You've missed the point entirely. I am trying to say that the peripherals are more important to Wii's sales than games, just as software was more important than peripherals to PSone's sales. Of course they are both factors.

 

Alright Reduce Current software support by 80% , Increase peripheral support 80% = Slight sales boost short term , Long Term Sale decline.

Increase Software Support 80% , increase peripheral support 80% = Slight sales boost short term , Sales boost long term.

 




GlingGling on 30 June 2008

I'll say it one more time, people buy the Wii to play video games.



Inigo13 on 30 June 2008

Consoles sales being up 35%, and 200k in Others says that Wii sales were driven by the Super Smash Bros. debut. Mario Kart had a similar effect when it was released.



NJ5 on 30 June 2008
Inigo13 said:

Consoles sales being up 35%, and 200k in Others says that Wii sales were driven by the Super Smash Bros. debut. Mario Kart had a similar effect when it was released.

It's obviously because of the DVD-case peripheral.

:P

 



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