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Squilliam on 30 June 2008
shams said:
This is ridiculous. What is the point of buying controllers, if not for the games?

You CAN argue that some sales of WiiFit came people buying Wii Balance board... for later. But they could have held off - it may eventually get bundled with something else - we never know.

And yes, I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one more peripheral released for the Wii - each one is extending and building on the concept of what the Wii is about.

And no, I don't see the Wii sales being that affected by sales of "Wiimote" rip-offs for other consoles. For starters, its the games that matter - and since the other controllers have to start from an install base of 0 again - this affects what games will go out on a limb to support them. History has shown that peripherals that come later in a consoles life fail.

 

 Troll...

So the Guitar Hero/Rockbank/Wii Fit peripherals will fail/have failed?

 

 



Tease.

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wfz on 30 June 2008
Squilliam said:
shams said:
This is ridiculous. What is the point of buying controllers, if not for the games?

You CAN argue that some sales of WiiFit came people buying Wii Balance board... for later. But they could have held off - it may eventually get bundled with something else - we never know.

And yes, I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one more peripheral released for the Wii - each one is extending and building on the concept of what the Wii is about.

And no, I don't see the Wii sales being that affected by sales of "Wiimote" rip-offs for other consoles. For starters, its the games that matter - and since the other controllers have to start from an install base of 0 again - this affects what games will go out on a limb to support them. History has shown that peripherals that come later in a consoles life fail.

 

 Troll...

So the Guitar Hero/Rockbank/Wii Fit peripherals will fail/have failed?

 

 

I thought it was a bit obvious that he meant conventional peripherals meant for the system, not a particular game in itself.

 

Anyways I'm not getting in the middle of this.

 



Smash_Brother on 30 June 2008
leo-j said:
Actually I seriously agree, when you look at it all that wii reallly has is mario galaxy and super smash bros.

Everything else isnt that good and is on another console. If you look at it the wii has the worst games this gen so far, and its selling the best. It was completely different with the ps1 and ps2, since they had the best games of there time.

Strange..

 

Travis Touchdown will slam your mother on the ground and impale her.

...and then he'll suplex her and stab her with his beam sword. Ba-ZING!

 

Squilliam said: 

 Troll... 

So the Guitar Hero/Rockbank/Wii Fit peripherals will fail/have failed?

 

 

Yeah, those fucking things were still cluttering up my living room long after I stopped playing Rockband.



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks

leo-j on 30 June 2008
bdbdbd said:
@Leo-J: When you look at it, there's quite a few other games that caliber, or near, but mostly all of them 1st party.
And another thing is, that PSX and PS2 were the shovelware machines of their gens. It's not having the best games, as N64 shows, nor just having the most games, but having most games with a couple of big hitters.

 

 Thats what I mean, 3rd parties arent really trying on the wii, and I have yet to see much if any 3rd party core games.

Im also starting to see 1st party games going more towards casual(super mario sluggers is not a hardcore game nintendo).



 

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Str8knox on 30 June 2008

Oh my damn. Another excuse to discredit the Wii's success. This is so stupid, and the Shameless phails for this one.

Does Galaxy or Brawl use peripherals? What about Zelda Tp? Prime? I mean hey, I could also throw the 360 or Ps3 into this.



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Rhonin the wizard on 30 June 2008
leo-j said:
bdbdbd said:
@Leo-J: When you look at it, there's quite a few other games that caliber, or near, but mostly all of them 1st party.
And another thing is, that PSX and PS2 were the shovelware machines of their gens. It's not having the best games, as N64 shows, nor just having the most games, but having most games with a couple of big hitters.

 

 Thats what I mean, 3rd parties arent really trying on the wii, and I have yet to see much if any 3rd party core games.

Im also starting to see 1st party games going more towards casual(super mario sluggers is not a hardcore game nintendo).

I'm not going to bother giving you a list of core games for the Wii, released or unreleased, search for them yourself. Also there was a Mario baseball game on the GameCube.

 



Shameless on 30 June 2008
RolStoppable said:
Shameless said:
If it was more to do with the games, then why didn't the Gamecube or N64 sell well?

No constant flow of worthwile games on the N64 and to a lesser extent the GC and a competition that offered similar experiences at a constant rate and in higher numbers.

 

Do you think there's been a constant flow of worthwhile games for the Wii from anyone but Nintendo? Look at the N64 for example. The console had two of the most influential and highly rated games of all time in Ocarina and Mario 64 and loads more and was, essentially, destroyed in sales. Was it because of the lack of support of the third parties? Obviously not because the Wii still sells. Was it because the competition had better first party software? Definitely not. Was it because the other consoles had better features or power? No.

The situation was completely unchanged during the Gamecube's lifespan: Wind Waker, Pikmin and Mario Sunshine were similarly fantastic games, but the system was, once again, destroyed in sales

Then, along comes the Wii. The traditional Nintendo games are offering the same experience and appealing to the same audience as they always have, yet the console is outselling everything. The Wii is in exactly the same third party situation as it always has been, Nintendo are making games to the same formula they always have done and yet the console is first. If people were buying the console for software, why didn't they buy the N64 and Gamecube for the same games? It's a fact that if you enjoy SMG you would have enjoyed SM64 and SMS, if you enjoyed Brawl you would have enjoyed Melee, if you enjoyed MKWii you would have enjoyed MK64 and MKDD, if you enjoyed LOZTP you would have enjoyed all of the previous Zelda games.

So why didn't people buy them? Do you think the Wii would be selling anywhere near the rate it is now if there had been no waggle-mote? When you realise that the only answer is because of the peripherals, I will accept your apologies.



Daileon on 30 June 2008

Agree with OP. Because I have 2 guitars, 4 controller kits, 1 balance board, and a Wii. No games at all. =)

*ahem*



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celine on 30 June 2008
ClaudeLv250 said:
I said ROFFLE at this thread!

This.

 



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Shameless on 30 June 2008
celine said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
I said ROFFLE at this thread!

This.

 

It's ridiculous how defensive some of you guys get when I'm not trying to troll the console at all. If you don't want to contribute, don't bother posting.