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Zucas on 28 June 2008
MontanaHatchet said:
sc94597 said:
The wii seems to be expanding the market more. Most of the ps2 were for it being a cheap dvd player. Also so will the wii. It will help new developers that are small such as high voltage break the shovleware streak, and various wiiware developers. This is because development costs are so low. So while your points are valid for the ps2, I believe they are even more so for the wii.

 

Nintendo fanboys always make excuses when other systems sell well. Isn't it possible that it was just an amazing system with a great library of games? And by saying "most," you're implying that the majority of people bought the PS2 as a cheap DVD player. Are you really suggesting that 60 million or more people worldwide bought the PS2 for a DVD player and nothing else?

Hell, I don't know pricing history, but I'm sure that by the time the PS2 was in large enough stock for people to buy it just to use it as a DVD player, normal players were probably cheaper.

Poor excuse. A great system sold well. People weren't buying replacements, nor DVD players.

Gaming systems sell because of price, library of games, and most importantly BRANDNAME.  What's hot and what everyone else is getting.  Word of mouth.  What'ever goes best for you.

More than likely, the majority of PS2 buyers weren't buying it because it had " a great library of games" but because it's what their friends had, what was mainstream, and what everyone was talking about.  People give way to much credit on why things sell because of gimmicks such as a random feature or a certain game.  The fact of the matter ladies and gentlemen, is that the main drive to sales of any product is it's brandname and the appeal of that brand.  When both sides that you described here Montana, your side and the Nintendo fanboys, come to understand this then you'll see why the Wii is selling well despite lack of games or why the PS2 sold so well despite all the features some of the other systems had. 

Great systems don't sell well.  Bad systems don't sell well.  Great brands sell well.  The other stuff just helps add on.

 



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Millennium on 28 June 2008

Kind of like how Cal Ripken should have tied Lou Gherig's record rather than break it? Get over yourself and your silly ideas of authority. Records are made to be broken by those who come after.



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coolestguyever on 28 June 2008
Soriku said:
I hope it outsells the PS2. The DS too.

It'll prove the gaming industry is expanding every gen, not getting smaller.

 

 if it doesn't outsell the PS2 it won't mean the industry is getting smaller.

 

Last gen with PS2 + Xbox + GC + DC i think the total sales were around 170-180 million or so

This gen I could see wii being about 100 mil, PS3 doing a solid 60 mil, and 360 hitting 40 mil. If its something like that the industry will have sold 200 million consoles. And thus it has further expanded, even without the PS2 being outsold.



SmokedHostage on 28 June 2008

I hope the Wii passes the PS2, I rather see the best selling system in history sell because of gaming innovation and not being a DVD player. Also, at the cost of sounding like a fanboy, I hope Sony pays for killing the Dreamcast.



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Erik Aston on 28 June 2008
Zucas said:

Gaming systems sell because of price, library of games, and most importantly BRANDNAME.  What's hot and what everyone else is getting.  Word of mouth.  What'ever goes best for you.

More than likely, the majority of PS2 buyers weren't buying it because it had " a great library of games" but because it's what their friends had, what was mainstream, and what everyone was talking about.  People give way to much credit on why things sell because of gimmicks such as a random feature or a certain game.  The fact of the matter ladies and gentlemen, is that the main drive to sales of any product is it's brandname and the appeal of that brand.  When both sides that you described here Montana, your side and the Nintendo fanboys, come to understand this then you'll see why the Wii is selling well despite lack of games or why the PS2 sold so well despite all the features some of the other systems had. 

Great systems don't sell well.  Bad systems don't sell well.  Great brands sell well.  The other stuff just helps add on.

 

Explaining why Wii had such a poor launch and slow first year, and had to catch up to the rocketing PS3.

You (still) mistake momentum for "brand name." Gaming is a momentum based industry. Nintendo had to do something bold to launch quickly and gain momentum right out of the gate. They launched with Wii Sports, which attracted fringe gamers tired of the old type of systems, and at least until Wii Fit, were running on momentum since then. Sure, that momentum comes in the form of good WOM, but you can't equate WOM with branding. PS3 relied on brand name but only recently acheived anything resembling momentum.



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*~Onna76~* on 29 June 2008

Never mind this is my final post anyway ... 



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Squilliam on 29 June 2008
slimeattack said:
Squilliam said:
I hope the Wii passes the PS2 just so the PS3 can look that much more impressive when it sails past the Wii. Its no fun if Sony has it easy for three generations in a row!

Lifetime predictions Xbox360 - 25million Wii 140 million PS3 200million and growing. I expect the PS3 to last 15 years!

No matter how I dislike it, I would expect the Xbox 360 to sell more than 25 million. If the PS3 turned the situation around, they could get first place, but I wouldn't expect it to sell 200 million.

 

Haha, yea. Leo J accuses me of relentless attacks on the PS3 so I decided to be a Sony fanboy for a while. Life as a fanboy isn't complete without random stupid and unjustifiable comments.

 



Tease.

FaRmLaNd on 29 June 2008

The ps3 will sell 1 billion consoles. You heard it first here!!!



kylohk on 29 June 2008
Erik Aston said:
Zucas said:

Gaming systems sell because of price, library of games, and most importantly BRANDNAME.  What's hot and what everyone else is getting.  Word of mouth.  What'ever goes best for you.

More than likely, the majority of PS2 buyers weren't buying it because it had " a great library of games" but because it's what their friends had, what was mainstream, and what everyone was talking about.  People give way to much credit on why things sell because of gimmicks such as a random feature or a certain game.  The fact of the matter ladies and gentlemen, is that the main drive to sales of any product is it's brandname and the appeal of that brand.  When both sides that you described here Montana, your side and the Nintendo fanboys, come to understand this then you'll see why the Wii is selling well despite lack of games or why the PS2 sold so well despite all the features some of the other systems had. 

Great systems don't sell well.  Bad systems don't sell well.  Great brands sell well.  The other stuff just helps add on.

 

Explaining why Wii had such a poor launch and slow first year, and had to catch up to the rocketing PS3.

You (still) mistake momentum for "brand name." Gaming is a momentum based industry. Nintendo had to do something bold to launch quickly and gain momentum right out of the gate. They launched with Wii Sports, which attracted fringe gamers tired of the old type of systems, and at least until Wii Fit, were running on momentum since then. Sure, that momentum comes in the form of good WOM, but you can't equate WOM with branding. PS3 relied on brand name but only recently acheived anything resembling momentum.

Er.... Video games are consumer products. For such products, competing brands sell depending on their brand appeal and public image and there are no exceptions. The PS3 hurt their brand image with their early marketing tactics, ridiculous launch price and prelaunch announcements. Given a bad public image, the sales of a product will be stunted severely, and it will takes years to even restore your former image.

 



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slicktrick on 29 June 2008
FaRmLaNd said:
The ps3 will sell 1 billion consoles. You heard it first here!!!

PS3 will be so sucessful and expand the market so much that your estimate seems like a lowball Xbox fanboy comment.  PS3 will be bundled with Happy Meals by 09, wait and see.