This is exactly what i been saying, but the mods keep closing my threads...i guess the truth hurts.

Wow, lots of back and forth over a bunch of numbers.
I happen to think all three consoles are doing just fine. Compare #'s 1, 2, and 3 of this generation(as they stand today) with their respective #'s 1, 2, and 3 of last gen at comparable periods in their LTD sales and you'll see that video games in general are doing a ton better. Somethin' here is happenin' and ya don't know what it is...do ya, Mr. Jones?
All this gnashing of teeth and rending of garments really doesn't accomplish a helluva lot. Focus on the positive's to be gleaned from the numbers for the industry as a whole.
Or, better yet, focus on the games. That's where it's at.

This post inspired by TheTruthHurts!

lol. when I saw this post, I thought it would be a wii fanboy spout... anyway, starmistkarmic is right on the money...

    Thanks for the mention Starmistkarmic, you hit it right bro, all gamers win this gen.  I remember when the N64 and Game Cube was hurting and I was like "Man I hope Nintendo doesn’t go away" because we as gamers lose.  Even though MS came to the game last I love my 360 and think it also does great things for gaming.  Sony is a powerhouse in gaming, and I hope they will be for a very longtime.  Hopefully Sony will turn a profit soon and continue bringing us great games like MSG4.  Sometimes you roll the dice and things don’t always turn out the best at first, but hey, thats the market. 

    I love this site and the intelligence the people bring to it.  People may not always agree with posters like StarCraft, Crazyman, Leo-J, Shio, ect....but I admire their passion and appreciate there opinions.  I constantly read post from these guys for months before joining and finally did because of the people here.  Yes, there are a few bouts, but I like that too.  It’s a matter of when we as gamers draw the line and admit the pro's of all systems, as well as the con's.  I hope MSG4 sells through the roof.  I hope Gears2 blows peoples socks off.  I hope Valve brings us a game the likes of Half Life and Half Life 2 in Left for Dead.   I haven’t even scratched the surface with upcoming games like Final Fantasy, StarCraft 2, The Next Awesome Zelda, ect. ect.  I hope all 3 companies and any newbies brave enough to join the fight....success.  That includes those brave enough to post topics against the grain of other "opinions", and stick by them like glue.  Thank you Nintendo, Sony and MS for bringing us the best generation in gaming ever.  BRING IT ON!!!

^^ Amen, man. Amen. Especially the BRING IT ON part. :)

I'm quite sure the PS3 will overtake the 360 somewhere in 2009. Sony's European advantage is the most important factor in this. For some reason Microsoft can't really get into that market. Japan will be a fight in the margins for both consoles.

But winning can be achieved in many ways. For Microsoft making a profit out of its game division is winning, selling close to Sony is also winning. For Microsoft the 360 is an enormous success, even if it won't even surpass the original Xbox, for the simple reason they're making a profit on it and kept Sony from domination.

PS3 will be the winning HD console in sales, but imo Microsoft will be happier with this gen than Sony. Coming from over 10 years of console dominance being trashed by Nintendo and  struggle to overtake Microsoft wasn't really the plan. Losing exclusives along the way not only damages the PS3, but also future consoles, since Microsoft has proven that its console is a good platform for games.

Only 5.3 million 360s sold within a 1 year headstart? Launching in 3 major regions near simultaneously at a cheaper entry price than the PS3... Does make one wonder what all the super sales praising from the media and fanboys was all about for the 360's first year on the market.

The PS2 sold roughly 2.7 times this amount the last 2 fiscal years despite market saturation kicking in and the PS3 taking over.

Taking sold to retailer data as a measure the PS3 considerably outsold the 360 taking equal timeframes.

- Microsoft sold 4.3 million 360s worldwide in the last quarter of 2007, making it 7.3 million in total for the year.
- Sony sold 4.9 million PS3s worldwide in the last quarter of 2007, totalling 8.83 million for the year.

For the first quarter of 2008 Sony sold 1 million more PS3s than Microsoft sold 360s, which is very good for a slow period.

The PS3 has considerably outsold the 360 for North America as a whole this year (NPD). The PS3 has consistently outsold the 360 for Europe with much bigger margins since its launch and even overtaken the 360's total install base for the region despite a 16-17 month headstart (3 holiday seasons for the 360, only 1 for the PS3), for Japan the PS3 already has 3.6 times the install base and has been outselling the 360 by a factor 35 to 1 and 12 to 1 due to the release of MGS4 these last 2 weeks.

This all despite a lower 360 entry pricing and nearly all the major XBox sequels already out on the market and a complete lack of XBox support ever since the 360 launched (pushing people to upgrade faster).

You know I am not a fan of Sony's business practices this gen, but it is very significant that PSP+PS3 > or = Wii+DS in Japan over recent weeks.  If Nintendo releases a new DS iteration this will probably switch back but it shows the health of the Sony PS brand.