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Fishie on 25 June 2008
konnichiwa said:
Fishie said:
Lik Sang had already stopped supporting piracy at that point.
They were sued for selling PSP`s before they were available from Sony in Europe, Sony pulled the same shit with PS3 so more legit companies like PlayAsia didnt ship PS3 systems and games to Europe out of fear of getting sued and just a few weeks ago Sony put an end to videogame rentals over here by sueing the hell out of retail.

They make region free stuff but SCREW YOU when you are a member of the EU and actually want to make use of it.

 

Serious?

Yup.

They tried to sue me a decade ago(Konami too but they chickened out), back when I was doing retail.

 



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ils411 on 25 June 2008
Fishie said:
disolitude said:
ils411 said:
disolitude said:

We all gather to here and discuss the sales % lost due to RROD or high system price cost at launch but none of these issues really affect our gaming habbits?

I thought I'd make a thread where we could share some mistakes that companies made that affected us and our gaming.

I'll start with 2 blunders Sony made that affected my gaming personally.

1. Sony suing company behind Bleemcast -

a small company made an emulator that would let you play PS1 games on the dreamcast and would make the games look much much better. The resolution was increased and textures were sharper. I was looking forward to this a lot as PS2 was coming out at a rediculous price and no games worth playing but PS1 was still going strong. Unfortunately Sony sued the company and delayed the release of bleemcast until very late i the Dreamcasts lifecycle when the system was already dead.

I got to play Metal Gear Solid on the dreamcast using the special bleemcast disk that came out before Sony shut them down and let me tell you...the game looks 3X better. To this day, even the PS3 doesn't emulate ps1 games this good and there is a lot of PS1 classics I would have loved to play with better resolution and better visuals.

Here is some info on this product for those that may no know this. http://www.gamesfirst.com/articles/bleemcastFAQ/bleemcastFAQ.asp

 

2. Sony suing Lik-Sang website -

Lik-Sang was the coolest store where I would go and get my 3rd party controllers, import games, custom modifications and mod chips. However due to some stupid Europe PSP selling issue, store was sued by Sony. And while they did not win the lawsuit, the store ran out of money due to legal fees and had to shut down. I've been using Play-asia since but its not nearly as cool as Link-Sang was.

More info can be found on their site... http://www.lik-sang.com/

How about you? Any videogame company decisions that caused you to lose out on something?

what a bunch of crap.

1. sony had every right to sue the company behind bleemcast. ps games were developed for use on *GASP* a PLAYSTATION and not a dreamcast. as the playstation was still being manufactured, sold, and supported by sony and their third party partners and they were still making money on it, emulation of the playstaion on a different system is an infrigment on copyright laws and is illegal and is a crime. comes to show what morals you have sir.

2. again, i see how you like to support piracy. serves lik-sang right to get sued by sony. custom modifications and mod chips leads to region free ps2s. and these mod cheaps also have the ability to play backup games. this leads to backup copies of games which are ditributed on the web which leads to piracy. and piracy is a crime. sony had every right to protect its business and investments.

 

 

 

 

 

Well smart guy, if you look up both cases, sony did not win either of them. The companies just ran out of money due to legal fees...

So your words have no weight what so ever.

 

Oh so its survival of the richest then?

How would you feel when someone sues your pants of to the point where you lose everything you have simply because you can no longer afford the legal costs.

All the while KNOWING that you are on the moral high ground.

boo hoo for them for running out of cash. serves them right for going into business that is obviously in direct violation of copyright laws. and good job in saying that my words have no weight when everything you pointed out are illegal and are obviously in direct violation of copyright laws.

emulation of ps on dreamcast when ps was still selling = piracy; modchips = pircay...so? piracy is now on the moral high ground huh??? OMGGG!!!!!! what next?! its moraly ok to just download all those bootleg/backup copies of ps1/ps2/xbox/xbox360/ps3/wii games from the net? its moraly ok to make pirating equipment? its mroaly ok to bring in video cams into movietheaters and make bootleg copies? 



ils411 on 25 June 2008
WEWdeadeye said:
ils411 said:
disolitude said:

We all gather to here and discuss the sales % lost due to RROD or high system price cost at launch but none of these issues really affect our gaming habbits?

I thought I'd make a thread where we could share some mistakes that companies made that affected us and our gaming.

I'll start with 2 blunders Sony made that affected my gaming personally.

1. Sony suing company behind Bleemcast -

a small company made an emulator that would let you play PS1 games on the dreamcast and would make the games look much much better. The resolution was increased and textures were sharper. I was looking forward to this a lot as PS2 was coming out at a rediculous price and no games worth playing but PS1 was still going strong. Unfortunately Sony sued the company and delayed the release of bleemcast until very late i the Dreamcasts lifecycle when the system was already dead.

I got to play Metal Gear Solid on the dreamcast using the special bleemcast disk that came out before Sony shut them down and let me tell you...the game looks 3X better. To this day, even the PS3 doesn't emulate ps1 games this good and there is a lot of PS1 classics I would have loved to play with better resolution and better visuals.

Here is some info on this product for those that may no know this. http://www.gamesfirst.com/articles/bleemcastFAQ/bleemcastFAQ.asp

 

2. Sony suing Lik-Sang website -

Lik-Sang was the coolest store where I would go and get my 3rd party controllers, import games, custom modifications and mod chips. However due to some stupid Europe PSP selling issue, store was sued by Sony. And while they did not win the lawsuit, the store ran out of money due to legal fees and had to shut down. I've been using Play-asia since but its not nearly as cool as Link-Sang was.

More info can be found on their site... http://www.lik-sang.com/

How about you? Any videogame company decisions that caused you to lose out on something?

what a bunch of crap.

1. sony had every right to sue the company behind bleemcast. ps games were developed for use on *GASP* a PLAYSTATION and not a dreamcast. as the playstation was still being manufactured, sold, and supported by sony and their third party partners and they were still making money on it, emulation of the playstaion on a different system is an infrigment on copyright laws and is illegal and is a crime. comes to show what morals you have sir.

2. again, i see how you like to support piracy. serves lik-sang right to get sued by sony. custom modifications and mod chips leads to region free ps2s. and these mod cheaps also have the ability to play backup games. this leads to backup copies of games which are ditributed on the web which leads to piracy. and piracy is a crime. sony had every right to protect its business and investments.

 

 

 

 

 

Someone needs to get the f*** off of their soapbox...

and someone needs to go out and learn some fucking copyright/legal laws. or are those too much for you to handle?

 



disolitude on 25 June 2008
ils411 said:
Fishie said:
disolitude said:
ils411 said:
disolitude said:

We all gather to here and discuss the sales % lost due to RROD or high system price cost at launch but none of these issues really affect our gaming habbits?

I thought I'd make a thread where we could share some mistakes that companies made that affected us and our gaming.

I'll start with 2 blunders Sony made that affected my gaming personally.

1. Sony suing company behind Bleemcast -

a small company made an emulator that would let you play PS1 games on the dreamcast and would make the games look much much better. The resolution was increased and textures were sharper. I was looking forward to this a lot as PS2 was coming out at a rediculous price and no games worth playing but PS1 was still going strong. Unfortunately Sony sued the company and delayed the release of bleemcast until very late i the Dreamcasts lifecycle when the system was already dead.

I got to play Metal Gear Solid on the dreamcast using the special bleemcast disk that came out before Sony shut them down and let me tell you...the game looks 3X better. To this day, even the PS3 doesn't emulate ps1 games this good and there is a lot of PS1 classics I would have loved to play with better resolution and better visuals.

Here is some info on this product for those that may no know this. http://www.gamesfirst.com/articles/bleemcastFAQ/bleemcastFAQ.asp

 

2. Sony suing Lik-Sang website -

Lik-Sang was the coolest store where I would go and get my 3rd party controllers, import games, custom modifications and mod chips. However due to some stupid Europe PSP selling issue, store was sued by Sony. And while they did not win the lawsuit, the store ran out of money due to legal fees and had to shut down. I've been using Play-asia since but its not nearly as cool as Link-Sang was.

More info can be found on their site... http://www.lik-sang.com/

How about you? Any videogame company decisions that caused you to lose out on something?

what a bunch of crap.

1. sony had every right to sue the company behind bleemcast. ps games were developed for use on *GASP* a PLAYSTATION and not a dreamcast. as the playstation was still being manufactured, sold, and supported by sony and their third party partners and they were still making money on it, emulation of the playstaion on a different system is an infrigment on copyright laws and is illegal and is a crime. comes to show what morals you have sir.

2. again, i see how you like to support piracy. serves lik-sang right to get sued by sony. custom modifications and mod chips leads to region free ps2s. and these mod cheaps also have the ability to play backup games. this leads to backup copies of games which are ditributed on the web which leads to piracy. and piracy is a crime. sony had every right to protect its business and investments.

 

 

 

 

 

Well smart guy, if you look up both cases, sony did not win either of them. The companies just ran out of money due to legal fees...

So your words have no weight what so ever.

 

Oh so its survival of the richest then?

How would you feel when someone sues your pants of to the point where you lose everything you have simply because you can no longer afford the legal costs.

All the while KNOWING that you are on the moral high ground.

boo hoo for them for running out of cash. serves them right for going into business that is obviously in direct violation of copyright laws. and good job in saying that my words have no weight when everything you pointed out are illegal and are obviously in direct violation of copyright laws.

emulation of ps on dreamcast when ps was still selling = piracy; modchips = pircay...so? piracy is now on the moral high ground huh??? OMGGG!!!!!! what next?! its moraly ok to just download all those bootleg/backup copies of ps1/ps2/xbox/xbox360/ps3/wii games from the net? its moraly ok to make pirating equipment? its mroaly ok to bring in video cams into movietheaters and make bootleg copies?

Wrong and wrong. Lik-Sang was not sued because of piracy or modchips at all but because they were selling PSPs to european market. Sony did not want PSPs shipped to Europe until later time. Lik -Sang was a great store where I used to get my custom Street Fighter controllers... They actually stopped selling modchips in 2003 which again...ARE LEGAL! Copying games you don't own isn't legal but moding a console in any way or form is...

And there is no law that prohibits running of software on any machine as long as you don't use the copywright code from the software manufacturer. This is the reason emulators exist and the reason why Sony did not win either of the lawsuits.

You need to either research what you're saying or stop talking.



d21lewis on 26 June 2008

I wish Nintendo wouldn't have locked out Action Replay compatibility on the Wii. I specifically made sure that the disc was compatible, before I sold my Gamecube. Now, I have Gamecube games that I don't play, because I don't have the time. I used the cheats so I could breeze through them. Oh well, I knew Nintendo was against cheat devices since the days of the Game Genie. Still................



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ils411 on 26 June 2008
disolitude said:
ils411 said:
Fishie said:
disolitude said:
ils411 said:
disolitude said:

 

 

 

 

boo hoo for them for running out of cash. serves them right for going into business that is obviously in direct violation of copyright laws. and good job in saying that my words have no weight when everything you pointed out are illegal and are obviously in direct violation of copyright laws.

emulation of ps on dreamcast when ps was still selling = piracy; modchips = pircay...so? piracy is now on the moral high ground huh??? OMGGG!!!!!! what next?! its moraly ok to just download all those bootleg/backup copies of ps1/ps2/xbox/xbox360/ps3/wii games from the net? its moraly ok to make pirating equipment? its mroaly ok to bring in video cams into movietheaters and make bootleg copies?

Wrong and wrong. Lik-Sang was not sued because of piracy or modchips at all but because they were selling PSPs to european market. Sony did not want PSPs shipped to Europe until later time. Lik -Sang was a great store where I used to get my custom Street Fighter controllers... They actually stopped selling modchips in 2003 which again...ARE LEGAL! Copying games you don't own isn't legal but moding a console in any way or form is...

And there is no law that prohibits running of software on any machine as long as you don't use the copywright code from the software manufacturer. This is the reason emulators exist and the reason why Sony did not win either of the lawsuits.

You need to either research what you're saying or stop talking.

and i suppose its ok to use the hardwares software? bios anyone?

 



disolitude on 26 June 2008
ils411 said:
disolitude said:

Wrong and wrong. Lik-Sang was not sued because of piracy or modchips at all but because they were selling PSPs to european market. Sony did not want PSPs shipped to Europe until later time. Lik -Sang was a great store where I used to get my custom Street Fighter controllers... They actually stopped selling modchips in 2003 which again...ARE LEGAL! Copying games you don't own isn't legal but moding a console in any way or form is...

And there is no law that prohibits running of software on any machine as long as you don't use the copywright code from the software manufacturer. This is the reason emulators exist and the reason why Sony did not win either of the lawsuits.

You need to either research what you're saying or stop talking.

and i suppose its ok to use the hardwares software? bios anyone?

 

thats not legal but Bleemcast didn't use PS1s bios. It was pure software emulation. Why Sony was against this I will never understand...like yes it's embarrassing that a piece of software is running your games better than the two systems they are meant to be played on....but at the same time, as Sony makes almost all their money on software. And to play this you had to buy the original game...



disolitude on 26 June 2008
d21lewis said:
I wish Nintendo wouldn't have locked out Action Replay compatibility on the Wii. I specifically made sure that the disc was compatible, before I sold my Gamecube. Now, I have Gamecube games that I don't play, because I don't have the time. I used the cheats so I could breeze through them. Oh well, I knew Nintendo was against cheat devices since the days of the Game Genie. Still................

 

Wow, I never knew that. That sucks...what about freeloader maybe? does that help in anyway?



ils411 on 26 June 2008
disolitude said:
ils411 said:
disolitude said:

Wrong and wrong. Lik-Sang was not sued because of piracy or modchips at all but because they were selling PSPs to european market. Sony did not want PSPs shipped to Europe until later time. Lik -Sang was a great store where I used to get my custom Street Fighter controllers... They actually stopped selling modchips in 2003 which again...ARE LEGAL! Copying games you don't own isn't legal but moding a console in any way or form is...

And there is no law that prohibits running of software on any machine as long as you don't use the copywright code from the software manufacturer. This is the reason emulators exist and the reason why Sony did not win either of the lawsuits.

You need to either research what you're saying or stop talking.

and i suppose its ok to use the hardwares software? bios anyone?

 

thats not legal but Bleemcast didn't use PS1s bios. It was pure software emulation. Why Sony was against this I will never understand...like yes it's embarrassing that a piece of software is running your games better than the two systems they are meant to be played on....but at the same time, as Sony makes almost all their money on software. And to play this you had to buy the original game...

i did some reasarch, and yes, bleemcast didnt use the ps1's bios. my mistake, i appologize for the sudden harsh attacks. i tend to be very emotinal when it comes to piracy as this is the reason why sony and microsoft have not officially launched the ps3 and x360 here. if our ps3s and or x360s suddenly suffer any hardware problems, rrod, bdl failure, etc etc, we're stuck with a huge expensive pice of crap as there is no offical support here. we have to settle on thirdparty repairs who often use cheap crap to repair our systems.

as for why sony was against this, sony during that time was also pushing the dvd format which is why they incorporated a dvd player into the ps2. the 2 things which the ps2 had over the dc is the dvd player and the ps1 liblary. with the bleemcast, it effectively cancels out one of its key features. and seeing as the dreamcast was cheaper, it could have contended with the ps2.

 

 



Fishie on 26 June 2008
ils411 said:
Fishie said:
disolitude said:
ils411 said:
disolitude said:

We all gather to here and discuss the sales % lost due to RROD or high system price cost at launch but none of these issues really affect our gaming habbits?

I thought I'd make a thread where we could share some mistakes that companies made that affected us and our gaming.

I'll start with 2 blunders Sony made that affected my gaming personally.

1. Sony suing company behind Bleemcast -

a small company made an emulator that would let you play PS1 games on the dreamcast and would make the games look much much better. The resolution was increased and textures were sharper. I was looking forward to this a lot as PS2 was coming out at a rediculous price and no games worth playing but PS1 was still going strong. Unfortunately Sony sued the company and delayed the release of bleemcast until very late i the Dreamcasts lifecycle when the system was already dead.

I got to play Metal Gear Solid on the dreamcast using the special bleemcast disk that came out before Sony shut them down and let me tell you...the game looks 3X better. To this day, even the PS3 doesn't emulate ps1 games this good and there is a lot of PS1 classics I would have loved to play with better resolution and better visuals.

Here is some info on this product for those that may no know this. http://www.gamesfirst.com/articles/bleemcastFAQ/bleemcastFAQ.asp

 

2. Sony suing Lik-Sang website -

Lik-Sang was the coolest store where I would go and get my 3rd party controllers, import games, custom modifications and mod chips. However due to some stupid Europe PSP selling issue, store was sued by Sony. And while they did not win the lawsuit, the store ran out of money due to legal fees and had to shut down. I've been using Play-asia since but its not nearly as cool as Link-Sang was.

More info can be found on their site... http://www.lik-sang.com/

How about you? Any videogame company decisions that caused you to lose out on something?

what a bunch of crap.

1. sony had every right to sue the company behind bleemcast. ps games were developed for use on *GASP* a PLAYSTATION and not a dreamcast. as the playstation was still being manufactured, sold, and supported by sony and their third party partners and they were still making money on it, emulation of the playstaion on a different system is an infrigment on copyright laws and is illegal and is a crime. comes to show what morals you have sir.

2. again, i see how you like to support piracy. serves lik-sang right to get sued by sony. custom modifications and mod chips leads to region free ps2s. and these mod cheaps also have the ability to play backup games. this leads to backup copies of games which are ditributed on the web which leads to piracy. and piracy is a crime. sony had every right to protect its business and investments.

 

 

 

 

 

Well smart guy, if you look up both cases, sony did not win either of them. The companies just ran out of money due to legal fees...

So your words have no weight what so ever.

 

Oh so its survival of the richest then?

How would you feel when someone sues your pants of to the point where you lose everything you have simply because you can no longer afford the legal costs.

All the while KNOWING that you are on the moral high ground.

boo hoo for them for running out of cash. serves them right for going into business that is obviously in direct violation of copyright laws. and good job in saying that my words have no weight when everything you pointed out are illegal and are obviously in direct violation of copyright laws.

emulation of ps on dreamcast when ps was still selling = piracy; modchips = pircay...so? piracy is now on the moral high ground huh??? OMGGG!!!!!! what next?! its moraly ok to just download all those bootleg/backup copies of ps1/ps2/xbox/xbox360/ps3/wii games from the net? its moraly ok to make pirating equipment? its mroaly ok to bring in video cams into movietheaters and make bootleg copies? 

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