Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: FFXII shows a continuing decline in the quality of original FF games being produced by Square. While their spin offs are perfectly fine, the main series games seem to be getting worse and worse with each title. Maybe because they are not on your console of choice?   You're the one who brought up the Sony as a factor in the first place, not I, "maybe because they're not on the console of your choice?" You suggested I don't like them because they're on the Sony PlayStation 2. I countered this and called you out on your trolling. You, yes you, made this a pissing contest about consoles when before I had only ever talked about Square-Enix so don't try and play innocent now. And please don't play innocent about your Sony bias, just because you own all three doesn't change the fact 90% of your posts are attacking the Wii or defending Sony. Knock off the trolling, its getting old.

 You should check my posts, I never attack the Wii as a system and you should see my contributions in all 3 forums and the fact that there are games that I can't wait to have on all 3 before you throw around these fake numbers that you just pulled out your ass...

I defend Sony the most because it's the one that gets attacked the most, simple reason: I don't like the rabid anti Sony atmosphere that occures sometimes.

 

ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: FFXII shows a continuing decline in the quality of original FF games being produced by Square. While their spin offs are perfectly fine, the main series games seem to be getting worse and worse with each title. Maybe because they are not on your console of choice?   You're the one who brought up the Sony as a factor in the first place, not I, "maybe because they're not on the console of your choice?" You suggested I don't like them because they're on the Sony PlayStation 2. I countered this and called you out on your trolling. You, yes you, made this a pissing contest about consoles when before I had only ever talked about Square-Enix so don't try and play innocent now. And please don't play innocent about your Sony bias, just because you own all three doesn't change the fact 90% of your posts are attacking the Wii or defending Sony. Knock off the trolling, its getting old.   1. You should check my posts, I never attack the Wii as a system and you should see my contributions in all 3 forums and the fact that there are games that I can't wait to have on all 3 before you throw around these fake numbers that you just pulled out your ass... 2. I defend Sony the most because it's the one that gets attacked the most, simple reason: I don't like the rabid anti Sony atmosphere that occures sometimes.

1. Anticipating games for all three is about as legitimate an excuse as claiming ownership of all three consoles makes you unbiased. I still see you bash the Wii and its games. And oh yes, the numbers I pull out of my ass, because "90%" wasn't at all an assumed number chosen to imply a majority sum, I was obviously trying to pass it off as a legitimate scientifically sound statistic, darn you caught me, how will my credibility ever recover.

2. That's still a Sony Bias and if true, a pretty thin reason to have one as I see Nintendo bashing almost as much on the forum here yet never see you running to its defense. Of course, I'm sure you don't see it as nintendo bashing at all do you? *rolls eyes*

Funny how you've also dodge responding to the points in regards to the issue you in fact being the one who brought up the issue of Sony and consoles then trying to pin it on me in your reply which you conveniently removed in your last quote. If all you can do is defend your character then don't make troll posts in the first place that lead to these kind of fruitless discussions.

Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said:   1. Anticipating games for all three is about as legitimate an excuse as claiming ownership of all three consoles makes you unbiased. I still see you bash the Wii and its games. And oh yes, the numbers I pull out of my ass, because "90%" wasn't at all an assumed number chosen to imply a majority sum, I was obviously trying to pass it off as a legitimate scientifically sound statistic, darn you caught me, how will my credibility ever recover. 2. That's still a Sony Bias and if true, a pretty thin reason to have one as I see Nintendo bashing almost as much on the forum here yet never see you running to its defense. Of course, I'm sure you don't see it as nintendo bashing at all do you? *rolls eyes* Funny how you've also dodge responding to the points in regards to you being the one bringing up the issue of Sony and consoles then trying to pin it on me in your reply which you conveniently removed in your last quote. If all you can do is defend your character then don't make troll posts in the first place that lead to these kind of fruitless discussions.

Nintendo gets attacked as much as Sony? Are you serious?

On this site, Nintendo doesn't need defending cause the majority of people will jump on anyone saying anything about the Wii just like when I said SC IV won't come on Wii I got a hundred people freaking out at how I am making crazy assumptions like that.

I brought up the console issue because you are Nintendo biased and you also mentioned how the franchise has been getting crappy but the spinoffs were great, which could be interpreted as you only liking games that are not the main series which is on playstation.

 

Everyone else in this thread agree FF is going down the shitter

==> wrong,
about half of the people are defending FFXII
don't try to isloate him, he is not alone
And I think that "shitter" is a bit strong to qualify FFXII


90% of your posts are attacking the Wii or defending Sony.

==> he can say the samething for you defending Wii/attacking Sony ?

Maybe you should both stop the "trolling" ?

Even if I think that no troll = dead forum lol

ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said:   1. Anticipating games for all three is about as legitimate an excuse as claiming ownership of all three consoles makes you unbiased. I still see you bash the Wii and its games. And oh yes, the numbers I pull out of my ass, because "90%" wasn't at all an assumed number chosen to imply a majority sum, I was obviously trying to pass it off as a legitimate scientifically sound statistic, darn you caught me, how will my credibility ever recover. 2. That's still a Sony Bias and if true, a pretty thin reason to have one as I see Nintendo bashing almost as much on the forum here yet never see you running to its defense. Of course, I'm sure you don't see it as nintendo bashing at all do you? *rolls eyes* Funny how you've also dodge responding to the points in regards to you being the one bringing up the issue of Sony and consoles then trying to pin it on me in your reply which you conveniently removed in your last quote. If all you can do is defend your character then don't make troll posts in the first place that lead to these kind of fruitless discussions. 1. Nintendo gets attacked as much as Sony? Are you serious? On this site, Nintendo doesn't need defending cause the majority of people will jump on anyone saying anything about the Wii just like when I said SC IV won't come on Wii I got a hundred people freaking out at how I am making crazy assumptions like that. 2. I brought up the console issue because you are Nintendo biased and you also mentioned how the franchise has been getting crappy but the spinoffs were great, which could be interpreted as you only liking games that are not the main series which is on playstation.

1. Oh and there are none to defend Sony? Sony wouldn't be getting attacked if people like yourself, Blue3, Davygee and Crazzyman stopped making Flame bait threads. People don't come after you because of what you say, but because how you say it, you have a unique talent for adding pointed insults and snide remarks into your replies which people appropriately take offense to.

2. Oh my bias, yes, I love the double standard imposed here. You're just trying to pick a fight. Simple as that. Do you forget about the FF spin offs on the PSP? Do you forget about the FF spin offs on Cell Phones? Did I make a single statement about what console the FF games in question were on? No, you brought up Consoles. And in doing so you brought up Sony. Since my opinion on Final Fantasy here is hardly unpopular I don't see the justification for you to try and turn this into an issue of bias.

You troll threads like these making comments with snide and condescending remarks looking to pick fights and brag up your prefered console or game in question under the guised of an objective passerby. I don't think there are many here who don't recognize you as a Sony fan, you're a little more behaved than the others but your ability to keep your composure wains more and more with each post you make. Only Trolls argue opinion vs opinion as if they're facts, and that's what you did when you attacked my opinion in this thread. This all started with a stupid troll comment you made, I called you on it, and now you're trying to back pedal and deny the issue.

libellule said: 1. Everyone else in this thread agree FF is going down the shitter ==> wrong, about half of the people are defending FFXII don't try to isloate him, he is not alone And I think that "shitter" is a bit strong to qualify FFXII 2. 90% of your posts are attacking the Wii or defending Sony. ==> he can say the samething for you defending Wii/attacking Sony ? Maybe you should both stop the "trolling" ? Even if I think that no troll = dead forum lol

1. The point wasn't to isolate him, but to show I wasn't isolated, which was his aim.

2. Show me one thread where I've unjustly defended the Wii or attacked Sony since returning from my Ban.

I wasn't the one who launched the attack in this thread and I wasn't the one who derailed the thread so don't try and play me as a troll here.

ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: FFXII shows a continuing decline in the quality of original FF games being produced by Square. While their spin offs are perfectly fine, the main series games seem to be getting worse and worse with each title. Maybe because they are not on your console of choice?   You're the one who brought up the Sony as a factor in the first place, not I, "maybe because they're not on the console of your choice?" You suggested I don't like them because they're on the Sony PlayStation 2. I countered this and called you out on your trolling. You, yes you, made this a pissing contest about consoles when before I had only ever talked about Square-Enix so don't try and play innocent now. And please don't play innocent about your Sony bias, just because you own all three doesn't change the fact 90% of your posts are attacking the Wii or defending Sony. Knock off the trolling, its getting old.   You should check my posts, I never attack the Wii as a system and you should see my contributions in all 3 forums and the fact that there are games that I can't wait to have on all 3 before you throw around these fake numbers that you just pulled out your ass... I defend Sony the most because it's the one that gets attacked the most, simple reason: I don't like the rabid anti Sony atmosphere that occures sometimes.

 You're right, you just troll certain franchises (Madden) :P

 As for that whole conversation y'all are having, it's just silly.  You made a pretty stupid comment (no offense, but it was) and she called you out on it.  

 As for FFXII, I don't think it's a bad game, it did a lot of things right, but it also did a lot of things wrong (mainly the beginning and the damn license system).  To date, FFXII does have the best combat system (VIII's was interesting, but drawing was annoying and just wasn't fun after a while) and so far does look the best.  I absolutely loved the fact that I actually felt like I was playing an MMO while walking through the towns.  Despite all that, I just didn't like FFXII because FF games should be about the story and characters first and XII just didn't do a great job on that.  The beginning of the game did a bad job of drawing the player in.  Even VIII did a great job at drawing players in with their wonderful cut scenes and immediatly showing you the good guyy, the bad guy, and who they're fighting over (my skipping VIII earlier was just poking fun at it because it is my personal least favorite of the main series).

Can't agree with the subject line of the thread. FF12 is one of the truly GREAT videogames ever created. Not just good, not just terrific - Square Enix blew the roof off the RPG genre. Great cast, great voice-acting (in Japanese and English versions), complex storyline, wonderful battle system which removes most of the tedium of level-grinding, and some of the best cut-scenes ever created in a videogame. My jaw dropped so many times, my chin started to get rug-burn.

 

The politics in the storyline can be unnerving, sure. It's a warning about how war-making hubris can destroy the mightiest of Empires. To be blunt, Dalmasca = occupied Iraq. Allegory, allegory!

 

Most amazing of all: the sophistication of the characters. FF10 had some fine moments, but it was ultimately a teen romance, featuring some fairly straightforward RPG figures. But FF12 has living, breathing people, who are truly unique. Example: Fran and Balthier. They're not only interesting characters in their own right. They're also videogame culture's first credible interracial couple.

 

Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said:   I have been more reserved and well mannered than ever before after my ban and have participated as objectively as possible (outside of reserved sarcasm) to any of the threads. You're just trying to pick a fight. Simple as that.

The objective contributions of Gballzack over time:

1. ' Nintendo gets sued just as much as either Microsoft or Sony over such issues. It's just more news worthy with Nintendo since their Patented Controller is one of its most unique features. Nintendo will settle out of court like they have before for pennies on the dollar, no biggie.

What a surprise to see who's thread this is. :)'

2. 'Obviously the market agrees too because we can clearly see the PS3 sales taking off in the last couple of weeks, I guess it was only a matter of time before the consumer came around and realized the superior system... oh wait... their sales haven't taken off... my bad... sorry... Didn't mean to get your hopes up.'

3. 'ckmlb said:
I heard 15000 first day sales so it's gonna be a minor hit probably.

Of course, why would a game ever do good on the Wii right?'

4. 'Might I also remind everyone here too that Soul Calibur II for the Gamecube sold the best of the three versions. And Soul Calibur III only sould one fourth the number of copies that that Soul Calibur II did. Again, another declining franchise for the PS360, congratulations.'

and that was preceded by this like 3 posts before, a complete 180 degree change from 'would be nice to have on Wii' to 'dying franchise that sucks':

'it would be nice to see a downgraded Soul Callibur 4 port, but since we already have Legends comming out as a consolation prize, we may not see 4 at all. Oh well, another red water game to be lost in the blue ocean.'

5. 'Banjo Kazooie three will probably be a dissapointment like the xbox Konker games'

6. 'It's going to be an FPS' in reference to a 360/PS3 game that no one knows what genre it will be.

also same topic:

'Cause that's what the 360/PS3 need to diversify their their shrinking demographic... more First Person Shooters...'

7. 'Both will lose.' In reference to who will win the Blu Ray vs HD DVD format war.

Many posts before these but this is as far as I can check since the ban.

twesterm said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said:         You're right, you just troll certain franchises (Madden) :P As for that whole conversation y'all are having, it's just silly. You made a pretty stupid comment (no offense, but it was) and she called you out on it. As for FFXII, I don't think it's a bad game, it did a lot of things right, but it also did a lot of things wrong (mainly the beginning and the damn license system). To date, FFXII does have the best combat system (VIII's was interesting, but drawing was annoying and just wasn't fun after a while) and so far does look the best. I absolutely loved the fact that I actually felt like I was playing an MMO while walking through the towns. Despite all that, I just didn't like FFXII because FF games should be about the story and characters first and XII just didn't do a great job on that. The beginning of the game did a bad job of drawing the player in. Even VIII did a great job at drawing players in with their wonderful cut scenes and immediatly showing you the good guyy, the bad guy, and who they're fighting over (my skipping VIII earlier was just poking fun at it because it is my personal least favorite of the main series).

This is your opinion and I disagree with it and have stated above what I think about the game.

 

 

ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said: ckmlb said: Gballzack said:   I have been more reserved and well mannered than ever before after my ban and have participated as objectively as possible (outside of reserved sarcasm) to any of the threads. You're just trying to pick a fight. Simple as that. The objective contributions of Gballzack over time: 1. ' Nintendo gets sued just as much as either Microsoft or Sony over such issues. It's just more news worthy with Nintendo since their Patented Controller is one of its most unique features. Nintendo will settle out of court like they have before for pennies on the dollar, no biggie. What a surprise to see who's thread this is. :)' 2. 'Obviously the market agrees too because we can clearly see the PS3 sales taking off in the last couple of weeks, I guess it was only a matter of time before the consumer came around and realized the superior system... oh wait... their sales haven't taken off... my bad... sorry... Didn't mean to get your hopes up.' 3. 'ckmlb said: I heard 15000 first day sales so it's gonna be a minor hit probably. Of course, why would a game ever do good on the Wii right?' 4. 'Might I also remind everyone here too that Soul Calibur II for the Gamecube sold the best of the three versions. And Soul Calibur III only sould one fourth the number of copies that that Soul Calibur II did. Again, another declining franchise for the PS360, congratulations.' and that was preceded by this like 3 posts before, a complete 180 degree change from 'would be nice to have on Wii' to 'dying franchise that sucks': 'it would be nice to see a downgraded Soul Callibur 4 port, but since we already have Legends comming out as a consolation prize, we may not see 4 at all. Oh well, another red water game to be lost in the blue ocean.' 5. 'Banjo Kazooie three will probably be a dissapointment like the xbox Konker games' 6. 'It's going to be an FPS' in reference to a 360/PS3 game that no one knows what genre it will be. also same topic: 'Cause that's what the 360/PS3 need to diversify their their shrinking demographic... more First Person Shooters...' 7. 'Both will lose.' In reference to who will win the Blu Ray vs HD DVD format war. Many posts before these but this is as far as I can check since the ban.

But these never portray anything more than opinions and don't attack anyone directly. You on the otherhand attack other people's opinions directly.

1. Am I wrong? :)

2. Was that such an innapropriate repsonse to a thread that was flame bate to begin with?

3. Am i wrong? :)

4. Am I wrong? :)

5. Is that such an unrealistic expectation given Rare's performance over the last five years? Furthermore was I the only one to express such sentiments in that thread?

6. So saying games developed by a man famous for making FPSs such as Doom is trolling. Huh.

7. Yes because pointing out the lack of demand and market penetration of HD disc formats obviously makes me a troll. How dare anyone choose anything other than blu-Ray as the supreme god of disc formats.

Funny though, the one thread you left out was this one. Are you admitting your wrong doing in this thread?