Some people need to actually read the op before attacking him. He did not in anyway say that 3rd party games on the wii will not sell. He is just listing reasons why they won't sell, and what 3rd parties must do to make them sell. So read the Op before you start criticizing a post.

 

Let's say Zack & Wiki is the ultimate example of failing 3rd party sales.
It sold 380.000 units according to VGC.
Here are some PS3 games that sold less than Z&W. According to your analysis the Wii might be a failure, but then you must aldo consider the PS3 a failure for 3rd parties.

44		NBA 2K8		2K Sports	0.37m
45		Condemned 2: Bloodshot		Sega	0.36m
46		Lair		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.34m
47		Sonic the Hedgehog		Sega	0.33m
48		NCAA Football 08		Electronic Arts	0.31m
49		Lost Planet: Extreme Condition		Capcom	0.30m
50		Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2		Ubisoft	0.29m

51		Haze		Ubisoft	0.28m
52		Yakuza 3: Kenzan!		Sega	0.27m
53		Dark Sector		D3 Publisher	0.25m
54		Spiderman: The Movie 3		Activision	0.25m
55		Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07		Electronic Arts	0.25m
56		Formula 1: Championship Edition		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.25m
57		NBA 2K7		2K Sports	0.25m
58		Tony Hawk Proving Ground		Activision	0.24m
59		MLB 07: The Show		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.24m
60		Viking: Battle for Asgard		Sega	0.24m
61		Marvel: Ultimate Alliance		Activision	0.23m
62		The Darkness		2K Games	0.22m
63		Eye of Judgement		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.21m
64		Virtua Tennis 3		Sega	0.21m
65		Major League Baseball 2K7		Unknown	0.21m
66		NBA 07		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.20m
67		Cars: Mater-National		THQ	0.20m
68		Dragonball Z: Burst Limit		Atari	0.20m
69		Bladestorm: The Hundred Years War		KOEI	0.20m
70		F.E.A.R.		Vivendi Games	0.20m
71		Transformers The Game		Activision	0.19m
72		Iron Man		Sega	0.19m
73		UEFA Euro 2008 Austria-Switzerland		Electronic Arts	0.19m
74		MX vs. ATV Untamed		THQ	0.18m
75		Folklore		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.18m
76		The Godfather: Dons Edition		Electronic Arts	0.18m
77		Medal of Honor: Airborne		Electronic Arts	0.17m
78		Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08		Electronic Arts	0.17m
79		Turning Point: Fall of Liberty		Codemasters	0.17m
80		GRID		Codemasters	0.17m
81		Armored Core 4		Sega	0.16m
82		The Golden Compass		Unknown	0.16m
83		Tony Hawk Project 8		Activision	0.16m
84		Genji 2: Days of the Blade		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.15m
85		Major League Baseball 2K8		2K Sports	0.15m
86		Lost: The Videogame		Ubisoft	0.15m
87		Enchanted Arms		Ubisoft	0.15m
88		Stranglehold		Midway Games	0.15m
89		Formula One: Championship Edition		Sony Computer Entertainment	0.14m
90		Mobile Suit Gundam: Target In Sight		Namco Bandai	0.14m
91		Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures		LucasArts	0.14m
92		Tom Clancy Splinter Cell: Double Agent		Ubisoft	0.14m
93		The Bigs		Unknown	0.13m
94		Valkyria Chronicles		Sega	0.13m
95		Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix		Electronic Arts	0.13m
96		Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII		Unknown	0.13m
97		Def Jam Icon		Electronic Arts	0.12m
98		FIFA Street 3		Electronic Arts	0.12m
99		Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom		Sony Online Entertainment	0.12m
100		Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End		Disney Interactive Studios	0.12m

I think we all read the OP, and it still is beating a dead horse, when I posted that there were 3 identical posts on the front page saying that wii lacks 3rd party support, and any supporters are doomed to failure......

This Wii and 3rd parties issue seems to be becoming an obsession. There is a new thread like every single day.

BengaBenga said:   Let's say Zack & Wiki is the ultimate example of failing 3rd party sales. It sold 380.000 units according to VGC. Here are some PS3 games that sold less than Z&W. According to your analysis the Wii might be a failure, but then you must aldo consider the PS3 a failure for 3rd parties.

 

 But people aren't saying that Zack and Wiki is the ultimate example. People are saying that even with double the userbase, Wii has still sold less 3rd party software than Ps3 in 2008.

It isn't like 3rd parties are taking a bigger share against Nintendo, as a matter of fact, this year it is lower than it was this time last year. Their sales are increasing, but not majorly.

The Wii isn't seeing what the DS saw. 3rd parties aren't taking a bigger and bigger share of the sales.

Sure, those games you listed sold less than Zack & Wiki, but 35 games also sold more. Many of the games you listed are also multiplats, so selling that much on Ps3 isn't horrid, as X360 stands for as much or more sales, meaning that it sold around or more than 100% more.

 

PS: Don't criticize the OP for making this thread. He looks at it in a different way than earlier posted. If you have new facts or beliefs that are important, making a new thread should be accepted.

Either way, even if it was stupid to make it, he has heard it now, no need to rub it in.

You cant put 3rd party games and Wii together in a sentence unless you put "didnt sell on the" on the middle of it.

Anyway, have you all noticed that the thread creator was just gone in this thread after he post the OP post? Isnt it odd?

Oyvoyvoyv said: BengaBenga said:   Let's say Zack & Wiki is the ultimate example of failing 3rd party sales. It sold 380.000 units according to VGC. Here are some PS3 games that sold less than Z&W. According to your analysis the Wii might be a failure, but then you must aldo consider the PS3 a failure for 3rd parties.    But people aren't saying that Zack and Wiki is the ultimate example. People are saying that even with double the userbase, Wii has still sold less 3rd party software than Ps3 in 2008. It isn't like 3rd parties are taking a bigger share against Nintendo, as a matter of fact, this year it is lower than it was this time last year. Their sales are increasing, but not majorly. The Wii isn't seeing what the DS saw. 3rd parties aren't taking a bigger and bigger share of the sales. Sure, those games you listed sold less than Zack & Wiki, but 35 games also sold more. Many of the games you listed are also multiplats, so selling that much on Ps3 isn't horrid, as X360 stands for as much or more sales, meaning that it sold around or more than 100% more.   PS: Don't criticize the OP for making this thread. He looks at it in a different way than earlier posted. If you have new facts or beliefs that are important, making a new thread should be accepted. Either way, even if it was stupid to make it, he has heard it now, no need to rub it in.

Duh, there was a game called GTAIV remember?

BTW there are just as many 3rd party million sellers on Wii as on PS3. Sure there's a different in userbase, but Wii comes with a free game and Nintendo has so far made the best games for the system. And 3rd party publishers don't care about attach rates, they care about sales.

Your statement that Wii isn't seeing DS support is very premature. 3rd party announcement are increasing in number as in quality. Fatal Frame, Tenchu, Fragile, Oboro Muramasa etc etc.

I'm not saying that this thread is stupid or even that the opinion is stupid. The reason I posted the PS3 list is to show that it wouldn't hurt to tell the whole story, instead of always cherry picking the Wii's 3rd party software sales.

 

spdk1 said: I think we all read the OP, and it still is beating a dead horse, when I posted that there were 3 identical posts on the front page saying that wii lacks 3rd party support, and any supporters are doomed to failure......

The thing is He is telling why 3rd parties fail, and everybody else just states the same thing over and over. He is making his own opinions, and shouldn't be attacked for it. This thread is far different from the others. The others are asking the question, while he is answering it.

 

sc94597 said: spdk1 said: I think we all read the OP, and it still is beating a dead horse, when I posted that there were 3 identical posts on the front page saying that wii lacks 3rd party support, and any supporters are doomed to failure...... The thing is He is telling why 3rd parties fail, and everybody else just states the same thing over and over. He is making his own opinions, and shouldn't be attacked for it. This thread is far different from the others. The others are asking the question, while he is answering it.

The problem was he just leaves the thread just like that after he post that essay. And yeah, there are flaws on his essay. Its still the same outcome, even his approach was different than other threads out there, we're still arguing if 3rd party games are selling or not. But few months from now, when Boom Blox sales like we expect this thread will be forgotten, then another 3rd party game "flopped" in its first month then another member here voice his opinion why its flopped then we're making this discussion again. Its a cycle REALLY...

 

 

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