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Million on 19 June 2008
fkusumot said:
Million said:

If Nintendo flop the next 2 generations it could effectivley kill them wheras Sony & MS's shareholders wouldn't be happy about it but they could live with it. Short term Nintendo is pretty well off however in the long term their future is uncertain .

1. A lot of people thought that Nintendo did flop with their consoles the last two generations.

2. It didn't effectively kill them.

3. Your analysis seems short-sighted.

 

What alot of people believe and what effectivley happened are too entirley different things , Nintendo didn't flop with the GC and they didn't flop with the N64 they just performed to a lesser standard than their competitors , your forgetting about the highly succesfull GC & GBA which had pretty much 80-95% marketshare for their entire life spans.

To be honest  I don't care what you think of the quality of my analysis , I think it was pretty accurate. Wether you like it or not Sony and Microsoft have more capacity to survive periods of loss in their respective gaming divisions Sony has HD TV's , MP3 Players , Entertainment (movies,music etc) , Laptops and the list goes on . Microsoft is also very diversified in it's markets ( I don't think they are as much as Sony but the markets they participate in are far more lucrative).

Nintendo however only have the games market to relly on , if Nintnedo didn't profit for two generations ( or as I said flopped) then how would it not severley damage or even kill them off completley  ? I'd appreciate a superior analysis from you to demonstrate your point.




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Chrizum on 19 June 2008
Million said:
fkusumot said:
Million said:

If Nintendo flop the next 2 generations it could effectivley kill them wheras Sony & MS's shareholders wouldn't be happy about it but they could live with it. Short term Nintendo is pretty well off however in the long term their future is uncertain .

1. A lot of people thought that Nintendo did flop with their consoles the last two generations.

2. It didn't effectively kill them.

3. Your analysis seems short-sighted.

 

What alot of people believe and what effectivley happened are too entirley different things , Nintendo didn't flop with the GC and they didn't flop with the N64 they just performed to a lesser standard than their competitors , your forgetting about the highly succesfull GC & GBA which had pretty much 80-95% marketshare for their entire life spans.

To be honest  I don't care what you think of the quality of my analysis , I think it was pretty accurate. Wether you like it or not Sony and Microsoft have more capacity to survive periods of loss in their respective gaming divisions Sony has HD TV's , MP3 Players , Entertainment (movies,music etc) , Laptops and the list goes on . Microsoft is also very diversified in it's markets ( I don't think they are as much as Sony but the markets they participate in are far more lucrative).

Nintendo however only have the games market to relly on , if Nintnedo didn't profit for two generations ( or as I said flopped) then how would it not severley damage or even kill them off completley  ? I'd appreciate a superior analysis from you to demonstrate your point.


You are correct. But the thing is, Nintendo has yet to have a year where they didn't profit. And if the PlayStation division would be unable to make any profit the next 2 generations, you can bet your ass that Sony decides to leave the gaming industry.

 



Bobbuffalo on 19 June 2008
Ail said:
Because believe it or not, there is a portion of us HD console owners that really aren't that interested by the direction the Wii is going and by trying to follow it Sony or Microsoft would loose us with no guarantee of winning the Wii users..

Yeah. They are called "Hardcore gamers" and believes that the world turns around them. They are boring, pathetic and annoying.

No offense.



Million on 19 June 2008

@Chrizum I'd agree but the it still remains that Sony & MS have more capacity to cope with periods of loss , I don't think any business would willingly continue after 2 generations of losses, I was just trying to put my point into perspective. And that's not to say that Nintendo couldn't make losses in future ( I seriously dought they will with their conservative nature).

I think i'm going off topic so i'll leave it there.




WiiStation360 on 19 June 2008
deathgod33 said:
sony refuses to consider wii "winning" because the wii costs 1/2 as much as the ps3. once the price of the ps3 is around 200, i think ps3 will easily win this gen.

I have serious doubts that the PS3 will be able to get to $200 before the next generation starts.  I hope I am wrong, but that is a long way to drop.



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misterd on 19 June 2008

Let's see....

Did Sony boast about how the PS3 outsold Cheerios, Toyota or The Happening last week? Nope.

Will they likely crow about beating the Wii last week? Probably.

Hmmm... what's the difference...



Kasz216 on 19 June 2008
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:

Because this is the first time in history where the two losing consoles are getting tons of games that the leading console isn't, especially when these games were on the leading console's predecessor, even if multiplatform (Beyond Good and Evil 2 seems to be a good example of this).

 

Except... Sony is claiming the same thing for the DS. Which doesn't meet any of your qualifications.

So... no.... your wrong. That's now why they're saying it.

If you ask me it's because Sony and Microsoft care less about videogames and more about entertainment.

The design philospy of Nintendo is to make a system that plays games... period. They follow the company motto. Do one thing exceptionally. They don't even like to own other buisnesses selling them off whenever they aquire something related to the VG buisness.

While the other two companies are more interested in taking over your living room. Either one would do anything for that... as it's a much larger piece of the pie as far as money goes.

Well also Microsoft more wants Sony to not get a hub, as a thing like the Playstation 3 controlling your living room is basically "like" a PC... and that could be a mega inroad into the PC market hurting their profitability.

The Wii isn't going to take over anyones movie collection or sound system or anything else... so it doesn't challenge their ulitamte goal it just delays it.timedia device... that primarily was trying to push UMDs. Though that failed, it stil has other non game uses. It's the same with the PSP. The PSP isn't really a game system... it's really more a mul

Well, he asked about "companies." As if he would be implying both Microsoft and Sony. Since Microsoft doesn't have a handheld, my first thought turned to the home console race. And the PSP is still getting a lot of games that the DS isn't, even if many of them are first party. The problem is that there isn't a third leg in the handheld race for comparision. I'm sure that if Microsoft had a handheld in the race, similar to the PSP, that the PSP and Microsoft's handheld would both get a lot of games that the DS wouldn't get, despite the DS being the market leader. A lot of it comes down to demographics.

So no, I'm not wrong. You're (notice the spelling?) wrong about that.

 

That's still a bad comparison. N64 and even Saturn got a lot of games PS1 didn't get.

Sega got lots of games SNES didn't get. It's actually common for such things to happen.

I stand by my comments.



Hawkeye on 19 June 2008

If you can't compete, you arn't in competition, are you?
Gaming compaines are set up to cater to the hardcore and can't/refuse to understand what Nintendo has done to the industry. To them, casual=cheap crap. They don't understand that people want to play fun games with an emphasis on friednly no little or no time investment required.



kushal3337@wii on 19 June 2008

Personally, I think Nintendo is direct competition to Sony and Microsoft. Maybe they just beleve Wii is not related- Cheaper, less hardcore,and whatever they think of.



                       

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Gearbox on 19 June 2008
Chrizum said:
Million said:
fkusumot said:
Million said:

If Nintendo flop the next 2 generations it could effectivley kill them wheras Sony & MS's shareholders wouldn't be happy about it but they could live with it. Short term Nintendo is pretty well off however in the long term their future is uncertain .

1. A lot of people thought that Nintendo did flop with their consoles the last two generations.

2. It didn't effectively kill them.

3. Your analysis seems short-sighted.

 

What alot of people believe and what effectivley happened are too entirley different things , Nintendo didn't flop with the GC and they didn't flop with the N64 they just performed to a lesser standard than their competitors , your forgetting about the highly succesfull GC & GBA which had pretty much 80-95% marketshare for their entire life spans.

To be honest  I don't care what you think of the quality of my analysis , I think it was pretty accurate. Wether you like it or not Sony and Microsoft have more capacity to survive periods of loss in their respective gaming divisions Sony has HD TV's , MP3 Players , Entertainment (movies,music etc) , Laptops and the list goes on . Microsoft is also very diversified in it's markets ( I don't think they are as much as Sony but the markets they participate in are far more lucrative).

Nintendo however only have the games market to relly on , if Nintnedo didn't profit for two generations ( or as I said flopped) then how would it not severley damage or even kill them off completley  ? I'd appreciate a superior analysis from you to demonstrate your point.


You are correct. But the thing is, Nintendo has yet to have a year where they didn't profit. And if the PlayStation division would be unable to make any profit the next 2 generations, you can bet your ass that Sony decides to leave the gaming industry.

 

 

The thing is, is that during the time of the two generation flops, they had almost the ENTIRE handheld market. No company dared enter it then. Now however SONY has a nice stake, thats growing, in the handheld market. This helps SONY in two ways, first it gives them a fall back if their consoles fail, and if Nintendo's next Gen consoles fail, their handheld market will not be anywhere near the size of what it used to be. Nintendo is shrinking, and if they don't win this Gen, then they will SLOWLY fade away. None of the three companies will just give up.

 

However, Microsoft has already said they will not continue the Xbox, so unless they make something new they've basically said they give up.