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Mad prop's to the bosses.

And seriously, if the data was actually as crap as Meister and the NPD groupies would have us believe then why do they even care about little 'ole vgchartz.



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ioi said:

Well without making the situation worse, the reason VGC and NPD aren't, it seems, able to get on is because NPD hate our very existence and are trying to do everything possible (meister is from NPD) to discredit us with the same old tired and inaccurate lies time after time.

The animosity is definitely one-way and is for one reason - because we are doing a good job and they see us as competition, despite the fact we are neither trying nor succeeding in competing directly - we offer a very different service as the writer of this article perfectly sums up and the guys commenting miss as always.

It's us, ioi and the VGChartz community, going up against the big-business, corporate elite. 

But like the people of Cochabamba, Bolivia, we fight back and WIN when the evil corporation try to privatize and make us pay for our wate... er, our numbers!

 

Great job, VGChartz.  I'm glad to be a part of this community and glad to see us getting some respect!

 



Kenology said:
ioi said:

Well without making the situation worse, the reason VGC and NPD aren't, it seems, able to get on is because NPD hate our very existence and are trying to do everything possible (meister is from NPD) to discredit us with the same old tired and inaccurate lies time after time.

The animosity is definitely one-way and is for one reason - because we are doing a good job and they see us as competition, despite the fact we are neither trying nor succeeding in competing directly - we offer a very different service as the writer of this article perfectly sums up and the guys commenting miss as always.

It's us, ioi and the VGChartz community, going up against the big-business, corporate elite. 

But like the people of Cochabamba, Bolivia, we fight back and WIN when the evil corporation try to privatize and make us pay for our wate... er, our numbers!

 

Great job, VGChartz.  I'm glad to be a part of this community and glad to see us getting some respect!

 

 

that almost makes me think someone will be making some "Viva la VG Chartz!" propoganda posters.



Jlmadyson said:
After seeing that comment, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if NPD pulled their data for next month and for at least a couple of months after. Like last November except that they actually go ahead with doing it this time regardless of the gaming community. Thus, only those who paid would see it. I honestly would not be surprised at all.

 

I'm sure they have considered this possibility but if they do, there will be NO public information available other during that period.  Guess where people are going to go for their sales data?  If they do, it will be a win for VGC.  If they don't, things just continue down the path they currently are going...  neither is a positive road for NPD.  Ioi can slam the door on NPD with 3 or 4 wins at the retail level in terms of cooperation in providing data.  The day that happens (and it will if Ioi keeps pushing), NPD is in trouble.  The best part?  They know it.  I suspect this will get a lot uglier in the near-term.



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spdk1 said:
Kenology said:
ioi said:

Well without making the situation worse, the reason VGC and NPD aren't, it seems, able to get on is because NPD hate our very existence and are trying to do everything possible (meister is from NPD) to discredit us with the same old tired and inaccurate lies time after time.

The animosity is definitely one-way and is for one reason - because we are doing a good job and they see us as competition, despite the fact we are neither trying nor succeeding in competing directly - we offer a very different service as the writer of this article perfectly sums up and the guys commenting miss as always.

It's us, ioi and the VGChartz community, going up against the big-business, corporate elite. 

But like the people of Cochabamba, Bolivia, we fight back and WIN when the evil corporation try to privatize and make us pay for our wate... er, our numbers!

 

Great job, VGChartz.  I'm glad to be a part of this community and glad to see us getting some respect!

 

 

that almost makes me think someone will be making some "Viva la VG Chartz!" propoganda posters.

 

Is that T-shirt contest still open? Sounds like you have a winning design right there, if done properly....



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Its amazing how far VGChartz has come.. LOL@NPD headaches

 



wow, thats fantastic for vgchartz, congratulations ioi... i agree that it would be ideal if the two could go on side by side, but i guess since NPD get paid strictly for their analysis, its tough for them to just let another group enter their 'business' without giving some direct competition



ioi said:

Well without making the situation worse, the reason VGC and NPD aren't, it seems, able to get on is because NPD hate our very existence and are trying to do everything possible (meister is from NPD) to discredit us with the same old tired and inaccurate lies time after time.

The animosity is definitely one-way and is for one reason - because we are doing a good job and they see us as competition, despite the fact we are neither trying nor succeeding in competing directly - we offer a very different service as the writer of this article perfectly sums up and the guys commenting miss as always.

That's exactly what NPD is afraid of. You are succeeding because you are disrupting them.

Had you started trying to sell your numbers to the gaming industry two years ago you would have been laughed at and gone nowhere, but by catering to us who were underserved when it comes to sales data (except in Japan), even your "crummy"* numbers were better than the lack of numbers we had before.

Of course since then your accuracy has gone up and you have moved upstream and are now competing with NPD on a higher tier and I would expect that in a few years you will be as well regarded as them as regard accuracy, and better regarded than them as regard service (weekly data, more transparent corrections and even the forums as there regularly are interesting insights there though amid a lot of drivel).

So felicitations on successfully (so far) disrupting a business model that had a seemingly overwhelming barrier to entry and good luck in continuing to do so.

* I don't mean it in a bad way, if you have read either Malstrom's Wii disruption articles or Clayton Christensen's disruption books you will understand the meaning of the word in this context.



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