Word.

I'm fairly sure most metal gear solid fans would agree that the game is supposed to be fun and not a lecture from a teacher. If Metal Gear Solid 4 is where you get your mental stimulation from you should stop playing so many video games.

I defend things that get attacked by people that have no idea what they are talking about. I listen to a lot of podcasts and the reviewers actually do enjoy the game as high as they reviewed it. I'm not falling back on reviews, simply using that as part of the evidence of people THAT HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME.

You can call it like you see it, but you haven't seen it, so your call isn't very informed.

I've played the game 2 and a half times and still find it enjoyable. MGO is also a great experience. Both single and multiplayer are incredibly well-done, unique experiences. It is not for everyone, but even the highest selling games ever aren't for everyone. MGS4 is a masterpiece because it combines so many polished elements together in a great package that appeals to fans of the series, fans of action games, fans of stealth games, and fans of great production values.

What in the god-damned hell are you talking about?  You've mad as much since in your post as MGS's story makes.

My post was a generalization, of all games, and all consoles.  This wasn't about just MGS4 but this site, and the way people view games as a whole.  IIRC, this same exact thing happened with Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and now MGS.  People will always find a reason to not like or bring down a game on any console.  Regardless whether if it's a console that I favor or not, you'd be blind to not see it.  Nowhere in my post did I mention MGS4 or the PS3 in general.  I said that people will find reasons to love or hate a game whether or not it's a masterpiece.  And people will find reasons to not like games on competing consoles, and described marginalizing. 

I'm not defending MGS4, but defending the concept of being able to be accepting of all games, and all consoles, rather than bash a game for no good reason.

True, I did (and do) think that Kojima/Sony should be congratulated for winning the week it came out WorldWide, and being the highest selling game that week, and selling over a million in a week.  I would have congratulated Nintendo or Microsoft for the same thing.  When good games come out, and people flock to buy the game, the creator of the game should be praised for having an effect on people so much so for them to go out and buy the game.  The only reason I specifically said that, rather than congratulating them on my own was that there was an extreme amount of marginalizing going on, and not nearly enough praise for what is a really awesome game.

I really couldn't give two shits if it was a banner said "Congratulations PS3" or "Fuck you PS3".  I'm mature enough to understand that not everyone will like everything, and that applies to all facets of life.  I'm most assured that this game isn't the greatest of all time, or, in your words "mana from heaven".  And again, I'm sure that not everyone is out to slight Sony and the PS3 (if that was the case, then I'd be out to do so).  Like I said earlier, the post had less to do with MGS4, but for high-profile games on all platforms, and was merely a generalization of what I believe happens far too often on this site.

@Onimusha
But as a person who hasn't even touched the game and yet appears to be so adamantly against the game, can't you see how one might assume that you just don't like the system it's on?

Seriously how can you be so ready to damn a game without ever touching it?

I'll take criticism from those who have played it, and welcome debate with the like of Rocket, but you're just here to hate on something that you've only read about.

Indeed. Rocketpig annoys the crap out of me but at least he's played the game, and I believe, like most people, said he enjoyed the gameplay.

Kojima himself stated in his interview on the disc with the LE edition of MGS4 that he doesn't want players playing MGS games just for for fun or because of boredom or escapism. He wants players to think about their lives and reflect upon their world and take something away from the experience.

Real fans play MGS games exactly for those reasons.

Has anyone else noticed the only people taking issue with my input here are two avid HD/Sony supporters such as Windbane and DMeisterJ? And why is the only person trying to argue with Rocketpig's thoughts on the game an avid MGS fan?

Also notice how they carefully avoid trying to refute any of my specific claims, rather they either question my credibility to make such deductions or try to dodge the point altogether.

I think the fact these guys are the only ones here trying to contest the fairly reasonable opinions of mine and Rocketpigs speaks volumes of situation. :)

MGS4 is a game that appeals to people who want to like it, everyone else sees it pretty much for what it really is, a decent A (possibly AA) game and reminder that Kojima isn't really that good a story teller. Long Cut Scenes are forgiveable, even if they do speak to poor utilization of the medium, but as a whole the game does draw attention to its flaws despite its excellent presentation and you'll forgive people for not calling this to the attention of others in disecting what makes the game tic.

But don't take my word for it, why not see what Zero Punctuation or Penny Arcade have to say about the game, actual sources with standards (all be them somewhat lofty with Zero Punctuation) and integrity. It doesn't take a genius to see the writing on the wall. This game has a solid presentation, but isn't that great as a whole and only really excells in its production budget not its actual achievement as a game.

@ Onimusha12

There we go. Resort to name calling when your argument gets eradicated. Bravo! And I agreed with Rocketpig, because he didn't take cheap shots at the game unlike you.

But don't take my word for it, Take IGN's (10/10) ;-P

Oh Cheap Shots, here you go with your whining and persecution complex again. So by agreeing with Rocketpig because he doesn't take cheapshots you agree the game isn't that good so long as the person is polite about it? Also what I've said about the game so far you agree to be true too because it really wouldn't count as cheap shots if they weren't true. Hell if what I was saying about the game wasn't true, they wouldn't be called cheap shots, they'd be called lies. In the end, you admit I'm right, but that I'm just rude about it. Where are my manners. ;P

Oh and the name calling, right... Like your two reputations and frequent appearances in response to my posts doesn't say it for me already. :)

Oh, actually IGN gave it an 11/10. But then again I must thank you for making another point for me. How MGS4 has proven the reviewing system to be corrupt and broken. LAIR drew dubious suspision to the backroom politics of reviews, Halo 3 made us all wonder about the industry's integrity, Kane & Lynch showed us what happened to individual reviewers who speak out against a game their employer is heavily pushing, Assassin's Creed gave us a glimpse of developers strong arming reviewers and the repurcussions for not playing ball, now MGS4 has finally put any doubt to rest.

Face it, a game hyped as much as MGS4 was, a game as integral to the industry as MGS4 has been, forces the industry to give it exceptional treatment, as the lower profile Assassin's Creed has shown us, anyone not willing to play ball with a developer's flagship franchise risks being shunned by them costing them access to pre-launch access to games and exclusive insider information which would cost them the edge against their competitors. The major players of the industry could not afford to give this game anything less than a score deserving of the hype and the higher the score, the more favors and privelages that can be expected from Sony and Konami for future releases and titles. And how do you outdo your peers who have already given the game a perfect 10/10? Give it an 11/10. That 11/10 has no doubt given IGN a secure place in Sony/Konami's favor for future pre-launch exclusives and upcomming information on games.

The only reason LAIR was accosted by reviewers is because its flaws were fundamentally integral to the gameplay, graphics and enjoyment of the game (unignorable and unavoidable) and would have sullied the reputation of any reviewer who to try and pass it off as a AAA title, and even then, most reviewers still gave it high scores. Also as a new franchise the game wasn't as integral an avatar to the industry as MGS4 is thus reviewers could afford it more prejudice, incidentally this game could have also been the perfect oportunity for reviewers to display a sacrificial whipping boy to create the illusion they don't pander to all hyped games. It's all part of the industry's politics.

Thanks, but I think Zero Punctuation and Penny-Arcade make more convincing arguments than the Spike-TV placative industry.