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DMeisterJ on 27 June 2008
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Onimusha12 said:
DMeisterJ said:
This game was damned if it did, and damned if it didn't.

People were going to find reasons to dislike this game whether it was or wasn't a masterpiece. The fact of the matter is that people will make excuses for, and for not liking any game on any console. It's what people do all the time. It's called "marginalizing". People have to bring other games down on other systems, since they don't want to admit that a game is good (or bad), and it's what's always happened. As long as the people who are happy with the game, are happy, good for them.

 

And incidentally people like you will find any reason to defend it.

Expectations for this game where high so its only natural that the awkward end product would prompt some mixed reactions. People will debate just how high those expectations were, but not everyone with reservations about this game are out to take Sony down a notch or marginalize a PS3 victory. Say what you want about people like myself but stop lumping the rest of this forum into the same category simply for being realistic about a game that is very much a mixed bag.

In truth, none of this is even really about defending MGS4 as a good game is it? It's really more about defending your self-entitled expectation of being able to celebrate this game with others (no matter how it did) unabaided by naysayers. I'm sorry the balloons and streamers weren't waiting for you when you logged online, I'm sorry there wasn't a banner pasted across the VG chartz logo saying, "Congratulations PS3, you've earned it!" to welcome people to the site, but stop attacking people for wanting to discuss the game as something other than Mana from Heaven. For God sake not everyone is out to slight Sony and the PS3!

What in the god-damned hell are you talking about?  You've mad as much since in your post as MGS's story makes.

My post was a generalization, of all games, and all consoles.  This wasn't about just MGS4 but this site, and the way people view games as a whole.  IIRC, this same exact thing happened with Halo 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and now MGS.  People will always find a reason to not like or bring down a game on any console.  Regardless whether if it's a console that I favor or not, you'd be blind to not see it.  Nowhere in my post did I mention MGS4 or the PS3 in general.  I said that people will find reasons to love or hate a game whether or not it's a masterpiece.  And people will find reasons to not like games on competing consoles, and described marginalizing. 

I'm not defending MGS4, but defending the concept of being able to be accepting of all games, and all consoles, rather than bash a game for no good reason.

True, I did (and do) think that Kojima/Sony should be congratulated for winning the week it came out WorldWide, and being the highest selling game that week, and selling over a million in a week.  I would have congratulated Nintendo or Microsoft for the same thing.  When good games come out, and people flock to buy the game, the creator of the game should be praised for having an effect on people so much so for them to go out and buy the game.  The only reason I specifically said that, rather than congratulating them on my own was that there was an extreme amount of marginalizing going on, and not nearly enough praise for what is a really awesome game.

I really couldn't give two shits if it was a banner said "Congratulations PS3" or "Fuck you PS3".  I'm mature enough to understand that not everyone will like everything, and that applies to all facets of life.  I'm most assured that this game isn't the greatest of all time, or, in your words "mana from heaven".  And again, I'm sure that not everyone is out to slight Sony and the PS3 (if that was the case, then I'd be out to do so).  Like I said earlier, the post had less to do with MGS4, but for high-profile games on all platforms, and was merely a generalization of what I believe happens far too often on this site.