DTG said:
Thanks for the thought out reply.
One more question though, why did Ocelot use Liquid as a disguise? What did he gain from going through hypnotherapy and everything else to essentially mold Liquids personality over his own? I remember something about doing so to elude the Patriots attention but I don't quite understand how this was to any benefit of Ocelot?
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It would be easier to understand if we knew exactly when Ocelot figured out he could "coax" Liquid out of the arm. But I think the point Kojima was trying to get across was that Ocelot was so inspired by Big Boss and his legacy that he was willing to do anything it takes to support Big Boss's intentions, even if that meant challenging the very institution they created with the help of Zero and the others, The Patriots, and even if it meant sacrificing his own life to do so.
I think if you look back at the end of MGS3 where you obviously see some admiration on Ocelot's part of Big Boss that this makes more sense.
Admittedly, this assertion that Ocelot knew what he was doing all along seems slightly artificial, but as mentioned before Kojima did lay the groundwork for it throughout MGS1, MGS2, and MGS3. It would help more if we knew at what phase of the story Kojima decided to take this angle with Ocelot sacrificing himself for the sake of Big Boss and fighting The Patriots. I imagine it took place somewhere during the development of MGS2 or MGS3 (maybe even as late as MGS4, but I am leaning towards MGS3). He at least laid the foundation for it in MGS1 with the dialogue at the end of the game, so it is slightly more plausible that he at least knew he was going to do something interesting with Ocelot's intentions.
@Questions Raised by Illegal Paladin and DTG's discussion:
I am not sure why Naomi said she couldn't leave either. It might have something to do with her feeling of responsibility towards Vamp or maybe even some romantic attachment. She may have also needed Liquid's technology of nanomachine suppressors to stay alive because of her cancer. You figure she is smart enough to make it on her own, but I think this is one of the things Kojima was trying to get across. It also could have been she realized that staying with Liquid was actually the best way to try and end The Patriots control over the masses. It is probably a combination of these three things, and maybe a few more.
In regards to Rose, she could have told him she had a miscarriage relatively early during the pregnancy(3-6 months). Presumably she has only been pregnant for a month or so during MGS2 (women usually at least need 2 or 3 weeks to tell, but most of them figure it out within a month when they miss their period, so probably 2 months at the max). Some women don't really "show" in terms of their stomach becoming enlarged right up until a few months before the pregnancy.
Jack's behavior was probably affected almost immediately after the events in MGS2, so we will say reasonably based on the average person's psychology and how traumatic the resurfacing of his past was as well as the revelations from the MGS2 mission that he started acting bizarrely within about 2 weeks to a month after the events in MGS2. Rose may have been scared of him pretty early within her pregnancy, and he may have left before she really started "showing." This could also just be a plot hole, but it is a minor one if it is. Their isn't really a timeframe given for the dispute within their relationship, so either explanation is plausible.
After she started getting scared by Jack, she may have left her home for fear of her own safety. She might have even been staying with Roy as she said she told Jack she had a miscarriage in order to help him with his mission. She could have told him over the phone or something too, which might make sense if she had already been told by Roy to tell Jack she had a miscarriage and she was already showing. They were probably seperated at that point in time regardless, so the communication definitely could have taken place indirectly rather than face-to-face.
I never noticed some of the names in the game came from 2001. The server room in MGS4 did vaguely remind me of 2001, but it definitely had its own personality based off the coloration of the room and the arrangement of the servers as if they were tombstones. The computer didn't talk either, of course, but I definitely sensed a connection somewhere in there, especially with the video playing after the computer was shut down, although the scene in MGS4 ends on a much different note than the scene in 2001.
The series' attitude towards Artificial Intelligence definitely seems inspired by 2001 too, but there are plenty of other influences and Kojima's own opinion on the matter mixed in with it.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
