CrazzyMan said: @Bitmap Frogs, you say BULLSHIT and NONSENSE. We all understand the potential of the card reader built in the ps3 and the 600$ premium that was paid for it. I'm sure it'll be key in sony's plan to regain japanese support. 1) STUPID fanboyish sentence. 2) ps3 don`t cost 600$ for MANY months already. 3) If you really think so, then you IQ is REALLY low. Btw, how do you deal with facts? for months you've been nothing but predicting and hoping for total ps3 ownage, yet the ps3 is still last and rapidly losing ground to the leader. ANOTHER BULLSHIT, PS3 OUTSELLING x360 WW since Decemeber 2007. It's destined to be a mere shadow of what its predecessor was while the 360 will actually increase the market penetration for MS. WISHFUL x360 fanboys thinking. Finally, no one gives a crap about the ps3 potential SAID x360 FANBOY. because dev houses can't risk not releasing on the 360 since it's the biggest market. How many 3rd party exclusives x360 has? LOL. You like the rest of ps3 users paid a premium tax to be sacrificed at the altar of sony's blue ray format that will largely be ignored by the majority of developers. LOL. Especially after MGS4. I see those premium dollars that bought you inferior ports for the rest of the generation don't bother you too much - such is your mad fanaticism towards sony. Bla Bla Bla. Again fanboyish BULLSHIT. Just think about Uncharted, Ratchet, MGS4, FFXIII, FFXIIIv, WKS, GT5, R2, M2, LBP, GoW3, Team Ico, Heavy Rain, Infamous, Wardevil, Tekken6, KZ2 and etc. LOL, you forget these ones, right? =))

You forgot to mention that the PS3 is so far in the red that some people in Sony must be thinking about what a horrible idea even making it was.

The PS3 is a "mere" shadow, and its not wishful thinking. I'll clap my hands together if it achieves half of what the PS2/PS1 did.

Besides, you can scoff at those "non exclusive" PC/360 games.. but I have two points.

A. A few might come back and bite you in the A$$

B. The PS3 doesn't get them.

Blu Ray? Well did you pay to watch a movie or play a game? Also a bigger HDD and a more powerful GPU + More ram - like 256 mb more would have actually made the PS3 stand out from the Xbox360. Furthermore, with a bigger HDD you can decompress textures 10-1 and stream it faster to boot! Blu ray was not for games, it was to win the movie format!

*Lists Xbox360 games <- and mentions 12 vs 5 games 90% metacritic*

BECAUSE MGS4 is a Game Of This GENERATION. Best Game To Date!
Must PLAY for ALL.
Another Level of Gaming.

Gobias said: selnor said: Gobias said: selnor said: Lets not get twisted here. MGS4 is amazing. But as I said. 1.3 million in terms of big exclusive and for MGS4 is good but not great for Sony. As I mentioned other games this gen gave other consoles a much bigger boost and sold far more on first day. In terms of between now and February what do Sony have left?. See LBP I expect to sell 2-3 million entire life. Resistance 2 I expect 2-3 million entire life. (Look at R1) Now 360 between now and February. Gears 2 I expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day sales. Fable 2 I expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day sales. BK3 I expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day. Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. I also Expect 350,000 - 400,000 360's sold in first week of Gears 2. Then theres Japan. I really believe that 3 exclusive JRPG's this year for the 360 will have an impact on sales for 360 in Japan. Again I refer to my sig. And theres games I havent mentioned which should get to 2 or 3 million or also.   Those predictions are beyond Crazzyman levels. MGS4's success has really made you lose it, hasn't it? Which side of the bed do you Fanboys get up on?. MGS4 is a success for Konami. But for Sony it will not be what they were hoping. Look without your fanboy goggles for a minute. I'll repeat. Halo 3 1.9 million First day sales in US alone. GTA 4 3.6 million first day sales. So for Sony to hitch the sales take off for PS3 on MGS4 (which they have) and it to be nowhere near other titles which sold systems better, the rest of the year will definatley be M$'s in terms of hardware sales. Quote me in February if you like, but I think I maybe only wrong on 1 game.   You seem to think MGS has EVER been near Halo or GTA in sales, which is completely wrong. Please check these links: http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=metal+gear+solid&console=&developer=&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=halo&console=&developer=&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=grand+theft+auto&console=&developer=&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales MGS has never even come close to GTA or Halo. So why did you think it would this time around?

Your missing the entire point. SONY relied totally on MGS4 for the PS3 to really move. And the reality is nothing like that. The rest of the year belongs to M$ now. M$ have to many great games between now and February it's not even funny. From a business standpoint the next big exclusive for Sony is GT5 in terms of sales. By big I mean more than 3 mill. More than 3 mill usually is a hardware mover. Sony will be behind from August to Feb and any ground made up from Dec 2007 - July 2008 will be gone. 

 

CrazzyMan said: MGS has never even come close to GTA or Halo. So why did you think it would this time around? BECAUSE MGS4 is a Game Of This GENERATION. Best Game To Date! Must PLAY for ALL. Another Level of Gaming.

 

 I guess thats why there are like 20+ games (PC/360/Ps3/Wii only) with better reviews ?? :S 

CrazzyMan said: MGS has never even come close to GTA or Halo. So why did you think it would this time around? BECAUSE SSBB is a Game Of This GENERATION. Best Game To Date! Must PLAY for ALL. Another Level of Gaming.

Fixed ur crazyness.

starcraft said: Er?  Where did I say it didn't have any exclusives?  I said it doesn't have any exclusives even approaching MGS4's significance.

 So now MGS s the most significant exclusive. A month ago, you called it a niche game.

Have you changed your mind about MGS being a niche game, or are you saying the best the PS3 can do it make there most significant exclusive, a niche game?

Oh, and by the way, no game franchise in Sony history has moved more consoles then GT. GT is the most significant franchise in Sony's exclusive library. 

selnor said: Your missing the entire point. SONY relied totally on MGS4 for the PS3 to really move. And the reality is it did. The rest of the year belongs to M$ now. M$ have a few great games between now and February it's not even funny. From a business standpoint the next big exclusive for Sony is GT5 in terms of sales. By big I mean more than 3 mill. More than 3 mill usually is a hardware mover. Sony will be behind from August to Feb and any ground made up from Dec 2007 - July 2008 will be gone.

Selnor: The 360's Crazzyman.

well it will have to get a price cut bigger then 50$ dollars this time

JGarret said: starcraft, also, do you expect (like some people here do) the Wii to start 'stealing' the big budget projects from the HD consoles?...Or do you think that most 3rd parties now see PS3 + 360 as a single console and think PS3 + 360 > Wii?

There is something in the whole Xbox 360 + PS3 greater than Wii thing.  They both tend to sell big third party hardcore games much better.  Though as we know, the days of non-moneyhatted big name third party exclusives for the HD consoles are just about over.

I don't think the outpoor of highquality games from the HD consoles (as a single unit) to the Wii will be as great as some Wii fans want to believe no.

But I do believe if MS gets tired of moneyhatting Japanese games (which I hope they don't.  And they might not, they appear to be setting themselves up for a third shot at Japan next generation) then the Wii will start to see all of those.

Japan is the one region where Xbox 360 + PS3 <<<<<<<<< Wii. 

 

selnor said: Gobias said: selnor said: Lets not get twisted here. MGS4 is amazing. But as I said. 1.3 million in terms of big exclusive and for MGS4 is good but not great for Sony. As I mentioned other games this gen gave other consoles a much bigger boost and sold far more on first day. In terms of between now and February what do Sony have left?. See LBP I expect to sell 2-3 million entire life. Resistance 2 I expect 2-3 million entire life. (Look at R1) Now 360 between now and February. Gears 2 I expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day sales. Fable 2 I expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day sales. BK3 I expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day. Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. I also Expect 350,000 - 400,000 360's sold in first week of Gears 2. Then theres Japan. I really believe that 3 exclusive JRPG's this year for the 360 will have an impact on sales for 360 in Japan. Again I refer to my sig. And theres games I havent mentioned which should get to 2 or 3 million or also.   Those predictions are beyond Crazzyman levels. MGS4's success has really made you lose it, hasn't it? Which side of the bed do you Fanboys get up on?. MGS4 is a success for Konami. But for Sony it will not be what they were hoping. Look without your fanboy goggles for a minute. I'll repeat. Halo 3 1.9 million First day sales in US alone. GTA 4 3.6 million first day sales. So for Sony to hitch the sales take off for PS3 on MGS4 (which they have) and it to be nowhere near other titles which sold systems better, the rest of the year will definatley be M$'s in terms of hardware sales. Quote me in February if you like, but I think I maybe only wrong on 1 game.

 Hehe, that's the first time I've been called a fanboy. It feels nice and I'm glad to have lost my virginity to you. But in all seriousness, just because someone disagrees with you, it does not make them a fanboy. 

 Honestly, your post simply read absolutely crazy to me. MGS4 is not Halo 3. It isn't GTA4. In fact, no one expected it to sell near those, so how exactly is it a disappointment to not reach something no one expected it to? 

 Your predictions are what truly made me chuckle though. But in all honesty, I really really do not care to counter why I think each one is off. The only three I will comment on are the ones that stuck out the most to me:

  Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day.

- Not that I can say you're wrong, but this is a completely new ip, one that has had major issues being completed for 10 years. All the same, you predicted 2-3 mill for LBP, which is also an untested ip, but yet is being hyped, touted and expected to be an absolutely great game by anyone who has played it. Again, not to say that the same isn't being said about Too Human, just that it has nowhere near the same excitement around it (in genereal). Just curious why the disparity in your predictions?

I also Expect 350,000 - 400,000 360's sold in first week of Gears 2.

 - Starcraft had already addressed why this isn't going to be a huge hardware push.

Then theres Japan. I really believe that 3 exclusive JRPG's this year for the 360 will have an impact on sales for 360 in Japan.

- 360 is not going anywhere fast in Japan. That being said, everytime I see your avatar, I'm reminded that I soon need to buy a 360 for those RPG's.