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CrazzyMan on 08 June 2007

who cares how fast it has sold?
now matter only commutative numbers.
and for now, ps3 is least sold worlwide.

however, strong sales in each region makes developers to create more games, then just in 1 region.
Ps3 has sold in every region about 1-1,5 mln. Wii has 2-3 mln. And only x360 has 3, 6 and 0.3



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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dpmnymkrprez on 08 June 2007
ckmlb said:

So I know there is a thread about this before, but I found sources that are confirming this:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160164

http://kotaku.com/gaming/like-a-million-hotcakes/sony-sells-a-million-pal-ps3s-267167.php

Does this rest those doubts yet that it's consoles sold and not shipped?

Also, wanted to point out PS3 selling quicker than 360 in Europe despite being significantly more expensive. 

 


In the long run, Sony may end up being number 2, but then again , wMS might cut prices and what not or release some killer ap , that they and Sony keep talking about, I wish we could get live coverage for E3, does anyone know if there will be?



DKII on 08 June 2007

Parokki - just use the hardware sales comparison charts right on this site.

Wii's first week on the charts is w/e Dec 10th '06. Wii hit 940k w/e Jan 14th '07 and 1M w/e Jan 21st '07, so it hit 950k (what the PS3 is at right now on this site so when it hit about 1M according to PR statements) early in its 6th week, about a month faster than the PS3.

360 hit 950k in mid-April 2006 following an early Dec launch, so it took over 4 months or 17-18 weeks, almost two months slower than PS3.



fishamaphone on 08 June 2007
ckmlb said:
fishamaphone said:
ckmlb said:
fishamaphone said:
"The significant point is that Saddam Hussein is no longer in power, despite there being no WMDs."


Take apart my analogy, I dare you.

If the aim of the war was to take down Saddam and not to find the WMDs then that argument would work. The aim of the PS3 is to sell, regardless of 360 shortages or whatever, that's not Sony's business...


Wrong!

Saddam Hussein, like the million sold, is an easy "fact" to point to in order to take attention away from gloom and doom. Fact is, getting Hussein out required us to devote a huge portion of our military to a basically lost cause. The fact is, Sony has 1 million in Europe within 3 months because they delayed their launch, basically shooting themselves in the foot for a single decent headline.

The issue here is that Sony probably isn't going to reach 2 million in PAL until well after 360 did, even with launches aligned, and so they're milking this story while they can. Sort of a reverse-FUD, but just as shady and contemptable.


I said if the point was to take Saddam out the argument would work....


 I apologize if this isn't the case, but in doing so, you implied that in all other cases, it would not work.

Being that you completely misinterpreted the initial analogy, I can't see how I had any other recourse but the above.



KruzeS on 08 June 2007

Lets take a look at the charts, which is what this site is good for. I think we can agree they're accurate to 5-10%, right?

Because of the others within others, we can't really look at the totals, so I'll break them up: for the PS3, Spain is the really impressive market, and then there's Itally, as well as the "rest of Europe". The UK, Germany and Australia, are basically tied, which is not nearly as impressive. Finally, France and Scandinavia, favor the 360, as of "now".

So the 4th, 5th and 6th markets favor the PS3. The 1st, 3rd and 8th market are tied. And the 2nd and 7th markets favor the 360. Different markets show different "leaders". The 360 was "by now" at 760k (launches aligned), with the PS3 200k ahead.



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Cobretti on 08 June 2007

No its not possible. You can't jsut say oh the number are close enough to VGCharts.

Few things people are forgetting.

1) Other isn't just europe.
2) PS3 offocurse it will sell more because it shipped more
3) and all the PS2 hardcore sony fans who would buy it no matter what at launch.



misterd on 08 June 2007
ckmlb said:
misterd said:
ckmlb said:
TalonMan said:

Personally, I'd like to know where Sony got the '1 million' number from. They never specifically name a survey company (like ChartTrack) and I've been told (repeatedly) that manufacturers themselves do not have access to 'real time' sales numbers - so who's the source???

How do we know this guy didn't just hop onto VGChartz, round up the total on the front page and claim 'teh million sold!!!!'???

...and I'm being very serious here - I'm not trying to be a smartass. With Sony's streak of PR blunders, I'm just curious to see an official reference for these numbers, and I'm not finding it.

 


Did you read the 1up article? It says from the data they have available...

 

...which comes from where exactly? They cite the sources for 360 numbers, but the PS3 numbers just come from this piece of SONY PR - http://www.mcvuk.com/opinion/32/The-PS3-powers-on.

It also fails to point out that the 360 had a worldwide launch and a console shortage for much of its first 12 weeks, which kept them from selling at a faster rate.

This looks to me like cherry picking data in order to get SONY a drop of good press.

 

 

It mentions that in the kotaku article, why do you need to mention that when everyone knows that ?

Does that change the facts? 


The Kotaku article simply refers back to the same article that 1UP refers to, which is a PR piece by a Sony rep. There is no independent source provided anywhere.



misterd on 08 June 2007
ckmlb said:
fishamaphone said:
"The significant point is that Saddam Hussein is no longer in power, despite there being no WMDs."


Take apart my analogy, I dare you.

 If the aim of the war was to take down Saddam and not to find the WMDs then that argument would work. The aim of the PS3 is to sell, regardless of 360 shortages or whatever, that's not Sony's business...


OK, the analogy doesn't work because "take down Saddaam" is one time goal, while selling more PS3s than the competition requires a long term strategy and, once achieved, must be actively maintained.

So unless the entire goal of the PS3 was to sell 1000000 units in Europe in less time than the 360, then this is pretty meaningless. At most its one battle in a long campaign. The 360 and Wii can point to victories week after week in the sales charts.

To continue using dictators for inappropriate metaphors, Sony's claim is akin to saying Mussolini kept the trains on time. Maybe its true, but in the big picture it means nothing.



Celb on 08 June 2007

well i told you.

No point even posting it.



ckmlb on 08 June 2007
TalonMan said:
ckmlb said:
The significant point is that they sold 1 million before 360 did in Europe despite the price difference.

From one of the very links you provided:

*winces* Probably should have stopped before that last sentence, considering the other two consoles were hampered by shortages and Sony had four months between launches to ramp production up.

FYI - it's usually a good idea to actually READ the articles you offer up as evidence... ;)

 

But, back to my original point - all of these 'sources' you are quoting are from the same guy (President/CEO of SCEE - David Reeves). So, once again, you are left with two options:

1) Sony always had access to sell-through data and chooses (for the most part) to try and pass off 'shipped' data as 'sold' data - as they do in 90% of their other releases.

2) David Reeves is 'estimating'

Nobody knows - but this site being off by 50k consoles should, at the very least, prove how accurate it has been all along...

 


 If you read a few posts ago you would see I mentioned that Kotuku mentions the supply problems so maybe you should not assume things that I didn't read the articles.... ok then?



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