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vizunary said:

I, myself, am a devout follower of 42 ;)


Ah yes, 42. The answer to life, the universe, and everything.



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Well by that logic who made God?
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looking into the past will always be a recursive question. If you say "who made God" then you can ask "who made the person who made God" and so on and so forth.

Conversely, you can also say that Universe just IS and existed into Infinity backwards in time. This conclusion would be just as valid as saying that God just Is and existed into infinity backwards.



That Guy said:
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Well by that logic who made God?
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looking into the past will always be a recursive question. If you say "who made God" then you can ask "who made the person who made God" and so on and so forth.

Conversely, you can also say that Universe just IS and existed into Infinity backwards in time. This conclusion would be just as valid as saying that God just Is and existed into infinity backwards.

 Or you could go with a quantum logic and say that the universe IS but WASNT and just randomly occured. It doesnt make that much sense but in quantum nothing does.



congratulations, you just boggled my mind



In defense of Christianity:

My point of Christianity not spreading by the sword, was in refference to the fact that from 50ad to 500ad, it spread without a battle. It faced tons of opposition from every government that killed, jailed, and destroyed both Christians and the Bible.

Did some "Christians" kill lots of people trying to "spread Christianity"? Absolutely. The issue is that these people that did that were heretics calling themselves Christians, but were not in the least. Christianity promotes nonviolence. Look at Jesus, Malchaus and Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Look at the writings of the apostles that were jailed, beaten, and killed for their Christian beliefs - and they counted it fine, joy, and without reprisals to those that did it. Compare it to Islam, and theres a huge difference.



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Ofcourse theres a GOD and Jesus is the Son Of God.



PlagueOfLocust said:
Christian here, non-denominational. Yes, I believe in God.

@Darc Requiem - Don't buy into the load that the Bible is flawed from multiple translations. There are no different interpretations snuck into the text between translations; the only thing lost/added in translation is connotations. Going back to the Greek translation for some words can help shed light on certain ideas, but nothing is altered to trick anyone. In fact, the Bible, compared to other historical documents we accept without a second thought, is more historically valid than any other historical text (based on how accurate it has shown itself to be with the events catalogued within, and how soon after the events the texts were written.) But you won't hear that from your friendly neighborhood college professor.

If you believe something is out there (and why not, that strange feeling seems to be imprinted on our souls), the Bible is really the most compelling description of what it may be. Faith is the key word here, though; assuming that the only truth we can really rely on is that which we can see is such a modern, short sighted idea. Science is not the be-all and end-all of our world, or else we'd have no use for philosophy or any other fields of study.

That defies logic. I can write something down right now. I could line up 100 people having each person recopy it and pass it down. By the time it gets to last person it will barely resemble my original thoughts. Not to mention that a good deal of the Bible was written down after the fact. Things weren't written as they occurred. In some cases it was decades after.

I disagree with your assertions about Christianity, MrStickball. While the progenitors of the religion were peaceful its followers have not been for the most part. Using your logic, I'd say 90% or more of Christians aren't really Christians. Although the same could be said for virtually all religions. Religions start off meaning well but they are more about controlling people than spreading beliefs contained in which ever holy tome is its source. People may not fear secular law but threaten them with eternal damnation and they are a lot easier to manipulate. 

You seem to reference the Crusades in your post. The Crusades were a huge unnecessary blood bath started by Christians in Europe. Unfortunately the Christians and Jews of Jersusalem, who had nothing do with the Crusades, ended up being slaughtered and left without homes because of it. Christianity was spread largely by missionaries taking advantage of the "savage" peoples that were conquered and subjugated during Imperialism. When your land is being taken, your people killed, the offer of "salvation" would be quite tempting. 

 



mrstickball said:
In defense of Christianity:

My point of Christianity not spreading by the sword, was in refference to the fact that from 50ad to 500ad, it spread without a battle. It faced tons of opposition from every government that killed, jailed, and destroyed both Christians and the Bible.

Did some "Christians" kill lots of people trying to "spread Christianity"? Absolutely. The issue is that these people that did that were heretics calling themselves Christians, but were not in the least. Christianity promotes nonviolence. Look at Jesus, Malchaus and Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Look at the writings of the apostles that were jailed, beaten, and killed for their Christian beliefs - and they counted it fine, joy, and without reprisals to those that did it. Compare it to Islam, and theres a huge difference.

 Well, I saw that coming, but nevermind. People calling themselfs Muslims killed in the name of Islam. as some "christians" did. Just because you heard or maybe you think that Islam is all about violence and killing doesn't make it correct.

Seeing you make such a statement here push me to deny what you're saying. What the world is living now helps crazy rumors and incorrect statements about islam spread like fire, and unfortunatly you seem to be one of those who don't know much about Islam.

The debate started about if people believe in God, and I don't want to turn it into anything else. 



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And we'll keep in on topic.

I was just contrasting how both religions spread in their first 500 years, nothing more.

And for me, studing Christian history, the early apostles & church leads me to believe that because it spread so quickly, despite persecution, was something outside of just a simple stupid idea. Even Judaism, and far older religions haven't spread like Christianity, and is far older. The same could be said about islam, and its quick rise to prominence.



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Well, I think that the same holds true for everything, BUT...

If religious leaders stop following their own moral code, then there actions will likely be frowned upon in the future. The fact that followers can be so easily swayed to do their bidding is disturbing. It almost seems like anytime religion and politics mix, the politician screws up the religion.

Makes a great argument for separation of church and state.