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i like your opinion, but there is one huge problem, if God did not make sin, how could he be omnipotent? God had to have created sin! Just like God made diseases, bacteria, and other parasites. God made both the good of this world, and after man sinned, he created the bad as well. -wareagle372

 I don't think you get it. Sin is not created. Sin is a rebelion against God. It is not something that is created. It is a revolt against God. Secondly, Sin did not come from man, nor did God make sin and create the bad. Sin came from Satan as a result of his rebellion against God.

If you say that the choice to rebel against God is Sin, then we are at two different definitions. The Choice to rebel against God is Free Will, the actual rebellion itself is sin and is not of God but is against God. Saying that God "made" Sin is simply saying that he started a Revolution against himself, but it is not saying that he "Created" Revolution. I hope you understand what i mean. 

A God who is not Omnipotent is not God at all, niether is a God who has revolted against itself. Thus you are left with an Idol, a great and mighty being who created the Universe and gave life to creatures but yet fights itself. As great as the Idol is, it is not God.

For that, I would like to recommend this book called  "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens.

What a read. -your mother

So you would counter-recommend my book, which is a book about what God is for those who wish to argue for or against him, with a book that tries to fight against not only Religion, but human faith and the morality of Christianity, Muslim, Judaism and other Mono/Polythiestic Religions? I don't know about your book, but my book is good for all. It tries to explain what the Christian God is before any arguements are made, while you book attacks not the qualities or concepts of God, but the actions and effects of Humans. I don't understand your logic. 

 



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rickthestick2 said:

i like your opinion, but there is one huge problem, if God did not make sin, how could he be omnipotent? God had to have created sin! Just like God made diseases, bacteria, and other parasites. God made both the good of this world, and after man sinned, he created the bad as well. -wareagle372

 I don't think you get it. Sin is not created. Sin is a rebelion against God. It is not something that is created. It is a revolt against God. Secondly, Sin did not come from man, nor did God make sin and create the bad. Sin came from Satan as a result of his rebellion against God.

If you say that the choice to rebel against God is Sin, then we are at two different definitions. The Choice to rebel against God is Free Will, the actual rebellion itself is sin and is not of God but is against God. Saying that God "made" Sin is simply saying that he started a Revolution against himself, but it is not saying that he "Created" Revolution. I hope you understand what i mean. 

A God who is not Omnipotent is not God at all, niether is a God who has revolted against itself. Thus you are left with an Idol, a great and mighty being who created the Universe and gave life to creatures but yet fights itself. As great as the Idol is, it is not God.

For that, I would like to recommend this book called  "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens.

What a read. -your mother

So you would counter-recommend my book, which is a book about what God is for those who wish to argue for or against him, with a book that tries to fight against not only Religion, but human faith and the morality of Christianity, Muslim, Judaism and other Mono/Polythiestic Religions? I don't know about your book, but my book is good for all. It tries to explain what the Christian God is before any arguements are made, while you book attacks not the qualities or concepts of God, but the actions and effects of Humans. I don't understand your logic. 

 

I recommend you read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins

 

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DuncanMcNeil said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
I think it comes down to this, i believe in god

the reason for this is is because whats the harm in doing so? if i dont believe in god do i feel better about myself, think im above other people? No
I believe in god, its a way of giving me hope, and bettering myself, and it also gives me strength. If there is no harm in believing i dont see the problem. IF there is one, good i believed in him and lived by his laws.

If its not hurting you whats the problem, this disccusion could go on forever

Let me change your quote so that I can try and understand your argument, let me know if I have changed it too much, or have twisted your beliefs.

"I think it comes down to this, I believe in one of the gods people commonly believe in.

The reason for this is because I believe where is the harm in believing in my one god? If I don't believe in my god do I feel better about myself? Do I think I am above other people? No.

I believe in my one god, because it is way of giving me hope and bettering myself, it also gives me strength. If there is no harm in believing I don't see the problem. If the one god I happen to believe in exists, I believed in him and lived by his laws.

If it's not hurting you what's the problem, this discussion is non-terminating."

Well, I'll skip past some of the obvious, discussion ending arguments, and jump right to this one,

"The fact that a religious man is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

Then I'll say:

If your belief in religion is truly not harming me, then I apologize, but I think it's fair to say religion does more harm than good, and thus it is fair to say that at least 50% of religion is doing more bad than good. That means I could concievably flip a coin to decide if a particular religion is good or bad. I'm afraid the odds just spoil me, and if your beliefs truly do no harm - I apologize again.


i'm afraid i have to agree with you on the last part. People will take religion for their personal gains. We saw this in the Catholic church in the medievil times. They told people if they didn't pay money, they would burn in hell. Many religions today are made for personal gains like scientology. No offense, if you believe that crap, you need to get a REEEAAALLL good shrink



 

wareagle372 said:
DuncanMcNeil said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
I think it comes down to this, i believe in god

the reason for this is is because whats the harm in doing so? if i dont believe in god do i feel better about myself, think im above other people? No
I believe in god, its a way of giving me hope, and bettering myself, and it also gives me strength. If there is no harm in believing i dont see the problem. IF there is one, good i believed in him and lived by his laws.

If its not hurting you whats the problem, this disccusion could go on forever

Let me change your quote so that I can try and understand your argument, let me know if I have changed it too much, or have twisted your beliefs.

"I think it comes down to this, I believe in one of the gods people commonly believe in.

The reason for this is because I believe where is the harm in believing in my one god? If I don't believe in my god do I feel better about myself? Do I think I am above other people? No.

I believe in my one god, because it is way of giving me hope and bettering myself, it also gives me strength. If there is no harm in believing I don't see the problem. If the one god I happen to believe in exists, I believed in him and lived by his laws.

If it's not hurting you what's the problem, this discussion is non-terminating."

Well, I'll skip past some of the obvious, discussion ending arguments, and jump right to this one,

"The fact that a religious man is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

Then I'll say:

If your belief in religion is truly not harming me, then I apologize, but I think it's fair to say religion does more harm than good, and thus it is fair to say that at least 50% of religion is doing more bad than good. That means I could concievably flip a coin to decide if a particular religion is good or bad. I'm afraid the odds just spoil me, and if your beliefs truly do no harm - I apologize again.


i'm afraid i have to agree with you on the last part. People will take religion for their personal gains. We saw this in the Catholic church in the medievil times. They told people if they didn't pay money, they would burn in hell. Many religions today are made for personal gains like scientology. No offense, if you believe that crap, you need to get a REEEAAALLL good shrink


No offense, but I think you are quoting the wrong person.



Duncan. No, he said that 50% of religion is doing more bad than good and i am agreeing with that.



 

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So if God is omnipotent he has the ability to save every one of our souls but consciously chooses not to?



Rath said:
So if God is omnipotent he has the ability to save every one of our souls but consciously chooses not to?

 Because saving "every one of our souls" isn't how God work. Why?

1. He wants us to want him to save our souls.

2. This defeats the whole purpose of Free Will and we are (justly but not righteously) made into his slaves.

3. Being "saved" is to be reunited with God, and some creatures just don't want that.

 God is Omnipotent and he chooses what he wants to do with his Omnipotence. Just because he doesn't do the things you want him to does mean he can't do the things you want him to. 



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I'm a muslim and I believe in God. God sustains the earth but he dosen't really interfer (well he used to then he stop). He provided everything you needed and its up to you to choose to follow god's path or another.

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Shigeru Miyamoto is GOD



Rubang B said:
super_etecoon said:
Rubang B said:
There is a G-d.

He is the way, the truth, and the light.

His name is Shigeru Miyamoto.


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