I agree.

Can people stop posting youtube videos and actually make their own arguments?

The purposeful or inventive arrangement of parts or details not only implies outside intelligence, but requires it. For something to be purposeful, it has to be given a purpose. Inventive means that it was created by thinking in the mind.

Let's go to the root of these words to make this point...

Purpose: 1 a: something set up as an object or end to be attained : intention b: resolution, determination

For something to be set up as an end to be attained requires forthough of that end, and a rationalization of how to get there, and thus intelligence.

Invent: 2: to devise by thinking : fabricate3: to produce (as something useful) for the first time through the use of the imagination or of ingenious thinking and experiment

Once again, this by definition requires intelligence.

Arrange: 1: to put into a proper order or into a correct or suitable sequence, relationship, or adjustment <arrange flowers in a vase><arrange cards alphabetically>

This requires intelligence to overcome the natural state of chaos and disorder in order to attain sequence and relationship.

I've made plenty of my own arguments. I just wanted to post some links that I found of interest for the sake of discussion.

well I guess this is an everlasting battle unless God shows himself or till archeolist founds out the bible is fake and made up by 2 stoned people many many many years ago.

untill that time, we will never know, same as we will never know what is the smallest possible matter and the biggest. as we will neverknow what happend in the farrest past (big bang) till the most future.
but there are some questions on my mind, wich maybe someone can explain to me.

1# why is the number of true Christians (church, pray etc etc doing somehting with a baby with water after birth, dunno the name) declines in the modern western countries where the economical base is settled with a high income/person. while its growing in china where the economy is growing?
will it decline there to after it is a stable economical country?

2# something wich isnt realy clear to me is why we started counting adfter the birth of Jezus. so its now 2007 years ago he was born, or do we count from his death? becasue i've read that he wasnt realy born on yr 0 but like 37 years after 0.

3# Imagine God created man, woman dinosaurs etc.etc.etc. I wonder who created God to create us. (but that would be the same question for scientists, what caused the matter for the big-bang).

so its for me for now, to vague to believe in anything, but the side that makes me the happiest is the side of non-believing. for now, who knows what ill do over 20 years.

@Timmah. Once again, the use of the word design is incorrect but that doesnt mean the scientists using it believe in ID. The fact that scientists often use poor English to make their point simply because its hard to explain it in correct English doesnt constitute any kind of evidence for the existence of a diety.

#3 By mythology only a god or a titan can create a god or they must be pre-existing, in the all modern faiths god has been around forever and will never cease to be...

I believe in God.

I'd like to say something about the Bible being translated many times.

No matter how many times that the Bible is translated it would not change God being God. The Bible is a way to understanding God and knowing how to look for Him. Once you know God though, you can take guidance from Him directly. In order to understand God though, you have to give yourself over to Him. You cannot let your own mind get between you and what God is telling you. Too many people allow their own thoughts and interpretations cloud what God actually meant in what He is telling.

Another way to look at the translations which can be combined with the above is that God is all powerful and knows all things past, present, and future. With this belief in mind, it is not hard to concieve that God would shape and form the Bible as He would see fit to represent Him in the grand scheme of things. The Bible is the main source to introduce people to God, so wouldn't you think with Him being all powerful that He wouldn't let that process go unsupervised? What one person changes for the worse, someone else can change something else or even that thing directly to make it for the better. Having said this though, the NIV version is a translation made by professors directly from the original texts I believe, so in many instances it could be the most accurate to the original form, though none of this changes the first point.

As far as interpretations of the scripture, you cannot understand a book until you understand the author. There are many books that are analyzed by scholars who think they know every metaphore and symbolism in a novel, but what if the author turned around to that symbolism and said that they were telling the events straight, or that the metaphore was for something completely different or was meant to be literal? You wouldn't know these things without talking with the author personally. Now with most books, it doesn't matter too much, but with the Bible, its pretty important to already have a connection with God to get what He intends for you to out of it. Now you may say, but the Bible introduces most to God, so how can..... Well, that is where the process starts to unfold itself. You must first use the Bible to understand on the surface to start looking and know how to look and listen to God. To know who God is and how you can tell Him from everything else around you. Once you know God and your heart and mind are open to God and that concept, then He can start to speak to you. This is when you can read the Bible and understand what it means with the author as your guide. You will be able to tell what was originally meant by the scripture but then you can also get specialized messages for you out of it. God can use a passage many ways to tell you different things that He needs for you to know, but unless you allow Him to show you and trust Him, then you are going to miss what He is saying or misguide yourself. That is part of where the terms "faith" and "believing" can come into play, which mainly mean having complete trust that God knows more than you and that He will guide you to the right path, sort of a real-time editor for the world who you personally know or perhaps a close caring friend who is head of the company that you want to get product from yet know nothing about.

Wow I said a lot. lol.

@Timmah

I give up, your arrogance keeps you from admitting you're wrong and that the scientists who use the word "design" in the context you were talking about are not talking about "intelligent design". Rath is correct and it's apparent since instead of responding to him you choose instead to play silly semantic games with words.

Be a man and admit to it when you're wrong.