"1. Because someone ate an apple? That's why people I love die. I think you shouldn't take your mythology and let it pertain to the real world, because it sounds crazy to a normal person.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYyHGRM3qqU(Christianity is the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie that is his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced to eat from a magical tree by an infinitely sadistic being disguised as a talking snake with legs. )2. There is no difference - that is something you don't understand. Nowhere does it say - ignore the rules about slavery - but keep the rules about homosexuality. Ignore the rules about rape - but keep the ones about marriage. (All of those rules are morally wrong though..) In fact, Jesus says that we must follow all of the rules in the Old Testament. This means every rebellious teenager would be stoned to death, anyone who works on sunday is dead, anyone who speaks out against god is dead, and it is never forgived. Either you didn't read that, or you're dismissing it as mere metaphor, and that is just a copout.3. So christians took no part in the crusades? No part in the various christian inquisitions? If you don't think these things were done by christians... you may need to study history - and study your christianity again - it is certainly a bold thing to say that accepted history is false and that things in the bible are false - just because you can claim the people who did these things aren't christians, and the bible is meant to be a metaphor. I'll tell you what, these "fake christians" make up the largest portion of people who are christians. 4. I didn't say that a scientist rapes a boy - I said that doctorS save liveS and priestS (who are christians or aren't christians in your opinion? I forget) rape boyS (I said that, because these are things that really happened it may be hard to figure out the difference for a christian). If a scientist raped a boy, the scientists wouldn't get together and move him to another place and hope he didn't do it again - they would treat him like any other person. When christian priests DID rape boys in the US - they were moved (by more christians) to other parts of the us - and treated as though they wouldn't do it again they did do it again, and doctors keep saving more lives.5. You're not really being fair to me, I'm following history, and you're following the bible - in which over 3/5 of the world knows was written by corrupt tribes (the ones who managed to survive and change the bible) and accepted by constantine 300 years later - as the word of god.Again, these evil, disturbing things, are in YOUR book. It is your duty to compare at all times what you think with what can be proved.In the immortal words of Douglas Adams - If somebody thinks they're a hedgehog, presumably you just give 'em a mirror and a few pictures of hedgehogs and tell them to sort it out for themselves." - DuncanMcNeil 1. Tell me, what is the scientific reason why we all die? Does it justify why people you love die? Don't misunderstand me, i don't think science is the devil, if you read my earlier posts you'd see this. But let me explain about sin. We don't die because someone ate from the apple, we die because we sin. Because of sin, God said we could not live forever, because with the knowledge of evil and imoortality the universe God created would be destroyed, as well as the beings and the humans themselves. So we left Eden for the Earth. Now we are not immortal, because we have lost our placce with God. But that's not it. God loves us all, so he will give us ETERNAL life (eternal like God is eternal, read on of my earlier posts if you want to hear more) to all who prove that they are responsiblw with the knowlege of good and evil. That is why you and your loved ones and all of the Human race aren't immortal.
2. Yes, Jesus came not to destroy the rules of the old, but to renew them. We don't stone people to death anymore because of what Jesus teaches. Those without sin can judge those who sinned. Therefore none of the Pharisees could cast a stone. Jesus didn't abolish the old rules, he just refurnished them. Go ahead cast stones, just make sure that you are in a position to judge others without having to be judged yourself. The rules about slavery, i see no encouragement of slavery in the Bible, sorry. Homosexuality, that's assuming that homosexuality isn't hindering nature, and the human race, and is actually not a choice. And besides, the greatest of all the rules is Love. Love for yourself, God and others.
3. You need to study the Christian religion my friend. Justify that these people who fought in the crusades and took part in the inquisition were by Christ justified in thier actions. Prove to me that Jesus Christ himself would agree wholeheartedly of all the killing and wars took place in his name. Those people were wrong, you and I both know that. But are you going to blame it on Christianity which condemns the same thing, or are you going to blame it one the people whose ignorance knows no bounds. And Just so you know, alot of the crusades wasn't about destroying the Muslims, but it was partly (by King Richard the Lion-hearted i think) due to save the inoccent people of Jerusalem. And yes, fake christians make up a large percent in Christianity i know that. That's why i said, the biggest thorn in Christianity is internal, straight from the fake christians who sin in God's name, or who are foolsih in God's name.
4. You missed my point. And read #3 carefully so that you would be able to predict my response. No need to type the same point over again.
5. Historically Jesus Christ existed. Show me a valid work of history that disproves the existence of Jesus. Jesus Christ was an epidemic back in the 1st century. Before the Bible as we now know it was finished. Are you saying that Jesus started up from nowhere? Are you saying the Christians who were persecuted were believing in an imaginary person? Are you stating that there was no Jesus?
And please know my true arguement about Religion and Science co-existing together.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien "Honestly, people should be Duncanlike, I don't steal, do drugs, drink, go to church, or sleep around, I don't even have sex. I don't hate anyone. Jesus is racist, contradicts himself, and agrees with the bizarre laws in the old testament. There is no evidence of him ever existing. But I exist. And I am thus a better person that Jesus + actually real. If he is god, he is the greatest mass murderer of all time. If I was God, I would not let bad things happen like Jesus obviously does." - DuncanMcNeil Again tell me how Jesus is racist (seriously this time). In fact one of the reasons why Jesus was looked as some kind Jewish heretic was because he was so tolerant of other races and even tolerant of sinners. And how does Jesus contradict himself? What's so bizarre about the Old Testament that Jesus agrees with?. And there is evidence of him existing. I'm not sure i know any professional scientist who would say Jesus never existed so why do you. How is he a mass-muderer? And if you were God, how would you stop the bad people? Kill them all? Let them all get away? Force them to do what you say? Come on.
Oh and i did some researching on the Fig Tree story in Mark. In the Middle-east (where they were) before the fig season there is something called a pre-fig, or the first of the fruits that come before the Fig season. If this doesn't show, then it means the plant is barren and it will eventually die. That is scientifically true. Now Jesus used this as a way to explain the power of Faith. Remember Jesus didn't come to Earth as God, but as the Son of Man. All that Jesus did was through Faith and nothing that he did we can't do (miracle-wise). Jesus is an example of the perfect Christian/Human, though he was not a Christian. You see there is whole story beind two verses in the Bible. You have to study the Bible before you can find a way to bash it.
"1. Really? I know some people that are very happy and have nothing to do with religion. What's the Christian thing to do in that situation, make them feel guilty about being happy?
2. Here's an interesting passage in the New Testament about slavery, it basically says to obey your master like you would obey Christ:
Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."
3. The New Testament actually says to obey your government and be submissive to authority because God put them in charge, that means those citizens under Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, and any other oppressive regime who didn't do what those governments demanded of a "good citizen" went against what God wanted (at least as far as the Bible is concerned regardless if you read the passages figuratively or literally). Take a guess how many millions of people were killed by "good citizens" of those governments. Do they get a free pass because they were only following these passages of the Bible or are they f*cked over because they were told to do one thing in one part of the New Testament and something completely different in another part?
Romans 13:1-7: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."
Anyways I can't be bothered talking about anything else brought up in this discussion (I've already wasted enough time) but I have to ask everyone this: Do you think it kind of odd that a supreme being would create other beings to worship him/her/it?" -Legend11
1. When i said people suffer, i meant pain and death. Not suffer as in, Oh I hate my life. You misunderstood me. I'm sorry for that.
2. So by it telling the servants to obey thier masters the things of the flesh (worldy matters) with respect, fear and sincerity in thier heart and serve them as your serving the lord, and by telling the masters to respect, fear, and have sincerity in thier hearts for the slaves and to treat them without threats because they know God is the master of both of them is supporting the slavery that has ensued the world? In the same bible it states (i forget where) that you shouldn't give up others into slavery and something like that. Also in the same bible it states (in the later parts of Revelation) that those who are slave owners will be given into slavery (or something like that i'm not sure).
Oh and i need to give you some history. In those days, one wasn't a slave for all thier lives like you see today and as of recent past years. Every seven years, called the year of the Jubilee i think, the slaves are released from their bounds and are either let go or continue working for thier previous master on the choice of the slave. Just a little history for you.
3. When Pauls says the authorities he means the law and things like that. What are the laws of the US? Follow those, because those were put there to stabalize order. But dont let the Government oppress you against Christianity. The Government is for the Flesh as Christ is for the Spirit.
Basically what Paul is saying is that if you follow the law, the authorities will have nothing against you, no reason to strike you by the sword. The authorities are for you, give them what you owe. If the authorities are wrong however would you take them over Christ? If they kill you for being right in them and in Christ, then it was justly stated by Jesus that you'd die because of him. But show Faith regardless, like the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Don't contradict the Bible. What Paul is saying is what every good parents tell thier children. Obey the Law and you won't get arrested.
4. No, i don't find it odd that the Eternal God would create beings that would enjoy Eternal Life and Ultimate greatness and free will in Glory while glorifying Him is strange. I mean, what would you do?
* That's it for now, but remember what my point is:
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." -Albert Einstein
