rickthestick2 said:
Well this i a very intelligent post i would say, and I respect your beliefs as a right, but your making a mistake many people make. All in all, no Christian would go out killing gay people, because simply that's not a Christian. They aren't folowing Christ period. Also, who in the world said that God would smite people? And where in a Christian should people want to smite or kill others for people gay, or accepting Gay people? Prove your point please, for i'd very much like to see what is wrong with my Faith. Also, how in the world is slavery and racism supported by Jesus? Do you read the bible or do you nitpick? Your a very intelligent person indeed, but you have to know what your talking about before you bash things. You should know that when arguing about Christianity and using Christianity as a basis for your agruments that you should know Christianity inside and out.
"The bible SAYS men are better than women, it SAYS parents should kill their kids when they don´t listen to them, it SAYS you should kill all the people who are not your religion. I could go on like this for around 3 hours or so, what I try to say is the same: It says all of those things, but if you tell them your friends (or anyone else) they will start to defend the bible by saying: "If you tell me the bible contains anti - feminism you´re an anti-feminist!" Because they believe in the bible they expect you to believe in it, too and if you believe in it and it tells you anti-feminism, you have to be an anti-feminist... that´s ridiculous, I´d never say I´m any better than any woman out there, but they just keep saying it... the better answer would be: "err...hell yeah, that is true!" but people tend to behave like little children if they are proven wrong... And again, why am I allowed to use peniccilin but no stem cells in medicine? This is just what some old, crazy men say and billions of people believe them... this is crazy." - Louie First of all, for your first paragraph, show me where you claim these things, for either, you have no idea how to seperate the old and new testament, or you aren't reading the bilbe or you are reading the bible and nitpicking. How is the bible anti-feminist? Prove that point to me and maybe i'll consider your logic as a thorn in Christianity. If not, i can just say i respect your beliefs. What are you talking about? Who are these crazy old men your talking about? And the reason why christians don't want you to use stem-cells in medicine is #1 for the basic unwritten morals of humanity, and the main reason being that stem-cells come from embryos that were killed or dead, and in order to research stem cells a human youth must perish. However recently on the news some scientists found a way to use stem-cells from skin cells somehow from testing in rats. But other than that, you're acting quite crazy. You're going to have to prove arguments to argue with me, if that's your plan. "If Jesus was real, and furthermore if he really was god, his beliefs are messed up for being a perfect being - refusing to heal people because they're not Jewish, killing trees for no reason. If Jesus was a real person that existed - you cannot blame him for the countless deaths in his name. But if Jesus was real and a god (the god) you can certainly blame him for these deaths." - DuncaMcNeil What? Jesus all of a sudden didn't exsit? This shows your complete lack of understanding i'm sorry. You seem quite ignorant to me. First of all, who did Jesus not heal for not being Jewish?, and "Killing Trees for No Reason"? I'm getting sort of upset about what your talking about, because you're making no sense, at all. how would you blame him death? Death comes from sin, death is intwined with all living things. Why? Because we aren't slaves and wwe have free will. What is better, to have slaves, or to have free men? Anyways, i respect your beliefs, but in no way do i approve of them. |
It´s in the old testament, yes. (First chapter, God creates Adam and Eva) But this is still the bible. You didn´t understand my point: Christians base their believes on the bible and the bible is old and new testament. When I ask someone if they believe what the bible says they say no, you can´t read the bible word by word. That´s the way the church slips around: "Believe in the bible, but just believe what we allow you to read." I guess if a church has to change their way of believing again and again - can this be true what this book says? In 200 year, we´ll interpret the bible completely different. That´s not because we are silly, that´s because the bible was written by some men 1000´s of years ago (and is bvasically wrong, otherwise it wouldn´t have to change it´s views all the time), which brings us to the second point.
"The crazy old men." what do you think who wrote the bible? God? 
those were some "wise" men back in their time, but again they were wise men nearly 2000 years in the past, not by today´s standarts. If a person near you starts to write down a book where he says he saw god or something, what would you think of him?
I tell you: The "wise" things in the bible were not made by any god, they were just written down by some people, and were ideas of people who had a high intelligence. They didn´t need any god to make up those things, god is just the one that explains the things they couldn´t explain back then.
Oh and the Stem Cell thing: You don´t have to kill any babys to get stem cells, these cells would just work better, you know? The church says "this is gods creation, you are not allowed to touch it in any way." Nothing with babies...
Stem Cell transplantation is used since the 1960´s and ít´s used to cure cancer (leukemia especially) every day. even now you read this text there are stem cell transplantations. guess who was against it? Church of course, with the argument above. If wé would´ve listened to the church millions of people with leukemia would die. Is that the way the christian "god" wants things to be? If he says we are free and can do things our own will, why is he forbidding us certain things? Personally I wouldn´t be crying if I was a clone. Cloning is just bad if you look at it from a christian point of view. "God gives you his spirit, a clone doesn´t have one." and again: "Don´t touch my creations!" and of course "you could kill babies" which is, in case of cloning (not stem cells, r.o.), a good point but you can avoid it and if we are able in 50 years or so to clone people without making anyone suffer ...are there any other points against cloning? I guess no. I don´t see one, maybe discrimination against the "clones" which is the reason I would never clone a human beeing.
BTW: You know everyone what cloning is? You take the DNA of a human and "make" a second human out of it. Guess what twins are? Yupp, twins are clones. Don´t they have their "spirit" in them? (now, really: It is EXACTLY the same process, you just do it actively when you clone something.)
I would never wnat anyone to die for cloning of course, which is the reason why I´m against it. But if I was a clone, no one died for my existence, I could live longer, would never be ill, would be healthier, more intelligent, etc.... I don´t see a reason why I wouldn´t want that. Yeah, there is this god thing which says "don´t clone! be free, but DONT CLONE!" Best thing would be to kill all twins maybe... no, just joking.
Why is there a pope who says "god is love" and in the same sentence he says "stop using preservatives, god doesn´t want you to...make love... with them"? Ask Afrika what kind of love they get from this god? 20 million people have aids over there. And the church is turning a blind eye on it. It is more important for them that you do what their god wants than to give these things up and make life easier in Afrika. Yes, I know this is not the only (and not even the) solution. but it would help. Don´t defend a religion that bases on love by saying there are other posibilities. Don´t do that.
Look at history, everytime in the past church decided anything it ended in a bloody disaster. There was a man called Jesus and he was a was man for his time, but he´s 2000 years old now. We should start to think about new things and shouldn´t stick in the past.
Still, these are just my personal thoughts. I don´t want anyone here to feel offended if he or she reads what I say. It just makes me sad to see so much pain on ths earth and the ones who claim we should change it do everything to don´t make this change happen.
