you hoping all day long... but RUSSIA win this game!
| elprincipe said: Yes, Van der Sar played very well at Euro 2008, also Gianluigi Buffon, although Petr Cech didn't do so well. Who does Germany have behind Hildebrand? He's been playing in Spain, I don't know how well. I don't know much about other German keepers. I guess at this time Spain of all countries has the deepest goalkeeping capacity in Europe (Casillas, Reina and Palop are all great keepers).
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Nearly every team in the Bundesliga has a 4 or maybe 5 star keeper IMO.
Robert Enke (Hannover) is absolute fantastic. Also Frank Rost (Hamburg) is a very experienced goalkeeper and played strong this year and Hildebrand (Valencia) of course. We also have a very young generation of top goalies. With Adler (23;Leverkusen), Neuer (22;Schalke), Rensing (24;Bayern), Wiese (26;Bremen)
They are also Goalkeeper No.1 in their teams and played UEFA Cup or Champions League.
| okr said: Jens Lehmann was installed as No.1 when Oliver Kahn was demoted to No. 2 by Jürgen Klinsmann only a few weeks before World Championships 2006. It was a sensation in Germany, it created a mass media earthquake. Sepp Maier (who was the goal coach of FC Bayern and the national team then) went crazy, insulted Klinsmann and was dismissed. It was clear what Klinsmann wanted: Decrease the enormous influence FC Bayern always had (especially behind the scenes) on the national team since the 70s - similar to Ajax in Holland. The idea was not bad, but Lehmann was the wrong choice from the start. Substitute an aged world-class keeper by an overrated middle-class keeper at nearly the same age was not the smartest move. Even worse: Germany's No. 2 (and designated No. 1 after Euro 2008), Timo Hildebrandt, was thrown out of the team by Löw right before Euro 2008 and replaced by another keeper. This was the second goalkeeper sensation in Germany within two years. In the last decades, the 2nd goalkeeper always and ever was promoted after the No.1 retired. But Hildebrandt wasn't even allowed to be in the team as No. 2 or 3. That was a shabby move by Löw and a very strange decision. I hope Hildebrandt gets another chance. He's an excellent keeper. BTW: Edwin van der Saar was in great shape in this tournament. Unlike Lehmann he showed how experienced goalkeepers should play and his performances absolutely justifed his nomination.
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I didn't know there was so much controversy about goalies at my eastern neighbours. Anyway, I agree with you that it seems to be a weird decision to replace Kahn for Lehmann, if it is really time for change pick a younger goalkeeper with the potential to be the goalkeeper for the next 5 to 10 years. But then again, if Klinsmann really felt Lehmann was the best goalkeeper in Germany his choice can be justified (and Germany did pretty well on the last world cup, although I don't remember how well Lehmann played). Well, the bright side of the story for you is that it will only last one more game, regardless of whether Germany wins the championship or not, you at least get to celebrate the end of Jens Lehmann as goalkeeper for die Mannschaft. 
For us in the Netherlands the situation is really different, Van der Sar indeed has been a great goalkeeper for the team for years now. But he decided to quit after the championship, so we'll have to play with a new goalkeeper from now on. I'm sure we won't be picking some 35 year old though!
| koffieboon said: I didn't know there was so much controversy about goalies at my eastern neighbours. Anyway, I agree with you that it seems to be a weird decision to replace Kahn for Lehmann, if it is really time for change pick a younger goalkeeper with the potential to be the goalkeeper for the next 5 to 10 years. But then again, if Klinsmann really felt Lehmann was the best goalkeeper in Germany his choice can be justified (and Germany did pretty well on the last world cup, although I don't remember how well Lehmann played). Well, the bright side of the story for you is that it will only last one more game, regardless of whether Germany wins the championship or not, you at least get to celebrate the end of Jens Lehmann as goalkeeper for die Mannschaft. For us in the Netherlands the situation is really different, Van der Sar indeed has been a great goalkeeper for the team for years now. But he decided to quit after the championship, so we'll have to play with a new goalkeeper from now on. I'm sure we won't be picking some 35 year old though! |
Can you remember the quarterfinal game Germany - Argentina ? Lehmann saved 2 penalties and was the hero of Germany. He played awesome at the world championships.
For the Dutch team I think it will be Stekelenburg, because Timmer is too old like you said.
@Barozi: I wasn't at home during that quarter final, I can remember sitting outside at a restaurant during the match.
And Stekelenburg will probably be our new goalkeeper, although we get a new coach who could make different choices. He isn't at the same level as Van der Sar though, at least not yet.
Oh man, just four and a half more hours. I'm psyched!!!
I was kind of cheering for Spain in every one of their matches, but now I can't decide to cheer for them or Russia. It's obvious that Russia will win, so it would make sense to cheer for them. Yet...
Shame Neos is banned.
Spain will win Montana, and you know it ;>
haha international press reactions to the game germany vs turkey are quite funny - the spanish press mostly tears the german team to shreds and ofcourse there are some "Lineker"-quotes again, but "the Independent" really has my favorite commentary, which unfortunately I'm not confident enough to retranslate it into english accurately
| MontanaHatchet said: Oh man, just four and a half more hours. I'm psyched!!! I was kind of cheering for Spain in every one of their matches, but now I can't decide to cheer for them or Russia. It's obvious that Russia will win, so it would make sense to cheer for them. Yet... Shame Neos is banned. |
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