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brute on 01 June 2008

^oh ok i havent seen the earlier posts



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LordTheNightKnight on 01 June 2008
merkh66 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


Wait a second, I never said Ubisoft isn't/didn't lie? I said boohoo what can ya do. They are obviously in the black when it comes to Wii or their development would have been haulted or changed. What jman said could be true, they could be going for a hit or miss type scenario. It seems like the only thing you guys are mad at is a lie from an Ubi rep. Thats why i say get over it, if there was no promise can you honestly say wth Ubi stop giving us this shit? No. So pretend this lie is just like the other hundred lies you hear through the course of a day and get on with life

 

It's that they are still telling lies to justify their posotition. It's in the OP. They broke a promise. Okay. They are spinning numbers to justify that promiste breaking. If you think that's not a bad thing, you must think it's a good thing for companies to pretend markets don't exist (in this case, Wii owners who buy hardcore games). It's not a good thing, and companies throughout this industry's history have learned how foolish it is, even Nintendo in the past.


Forget about the promise already!

Did you read my comment? It's not about the promise right now. It's about lies of the Wii's market.

And so be it if they need to learn from their mistake (that is if their making one). They probably don't have the resourses to develop big time games for Wii and Ps360,

so should they stop developing for something their already good at and can easily port and therefore satisfy two systems userbases? or should they take a risk on wii.

You must think that they are retarded as a company, i know it might be hard to understand but its someones job to do this planning and strategizing between the consoles. Ubisoft is/has been a leading developer for years now so they're doing something right, sorry its not going your way... Crying doesnt fix it.


This guy is a troll for Ubisoft, so I take back all the arguments I made, since he clearly just was trying to do piss poor damage control. Instead, he just made us hate Ubisoft even more.

Some damage control.

 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

sc94597 on 01 June 2008

It's also funny how ps3 fans bitch about capcoms support, but wii fans can't bitch about ubisoft's



jman8 on 01 June 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


You're right! But there's also no proof for the opposite. There is no proof that a big budget title from a third party will do great on the Wii. However, there is ample proof that big budget titles will sell great on the PS3 and 360. Therefore it is riskier to make a big budget Wii game than big budget PS360 game. There is also proof that bad to mediocre games like Petz and Red Steel and RRR2 can sell pretty well on the Wii. So what incentive does Ubisoft have to deviate from their current formula that seems to be working pretty well?


But your point is that the Wii is a bigger ris. If no such games have been made, that claim if a bigger risk has no meaning. If the games actually were made, then we would have a profitable:flop ratio to determine the risk. There isn't any, so your claim is false.


 Are you serious? Because no one's done it before, it's not risky? Go tell Evil Knievel it wasn't risky to motorcycle over 30 school buses b/c no one did it before. Hell, go tell Nintendo that abandoning the Gameboy brand in favor of a Dual Screen handheld with touch controls wasn't risky because no one had done it before. Go tell Nintendo that focusing on motion controls instead of HD graphics wasn't risky because no one had done it before. Not everyone has the balls of Evil Knievel or Nintendo in order to do crazy shit that the world had never seen. The fact that no one's done it, means they were too scared to try, i.e. they saw risk in such action. 



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

brute on 01 June 2008
sc94597 said:
It's also funny how ps3 fans bitch about capcoms support, but wii fans can't bitch about ubisoft's

yeah they have also complained about capcom,like when they amde the petition to boycott capcom cause of how DMC4 went multi-plat,and how lost planet didnt get ported well



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merkh66 on 01 June 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
merkh66 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


Wait a second, I never said Ubisoft isn't/didn't lie? I said boohoo what can ya do. They are obviously in the black when it comes to Wii or their development would have been haulted or changed. What jman said could be true, they could be going for a hit or miss type scenario. It seems like the only thing you guys are mad at is a lie from an Ubi rep. Thats why i say get over it, if there was no promise can you honestly say wth Ubi stop giving us this shit? No. So pretend this lie is just like the other hundred lies you hear through the course of a day and get on with life

 

It's that they are still telling lies to justify their posotition. It's in the OP. They broke a promise. Okay. They are spinning numbers to justify that promiste breaking. If you think that's not a bad thing, you must think it's a good thing for companies to pretend markets don't exist (in this case, Wii owners who buy hardcore games). It's not a good thing, and companies throughout this industry's history have learned how foolish it is, even Nintendo in the past.


Forget about the promise already!

Did you read my comment? It's not about the promise right now. It's about lies of the Wii's market.

And so be it if they need to learn from their mistake (that is if their making one). They probably don't have the resourses to develop big time games for Wii and Ps360,

Didn't I earlier state that if that was the case, they should outright admit it?

so should they stop developing for something their already good at and can easily port and therefore satisfy two systems userbases? or should they take a risk on wii.

Why aren't the HD systems a risk? In order for risk to be worse on the Wii than the HD systems, then there would have to be a better success to failure ratio, with the big budget, and heavily hyped games. They are almost no such games on the Wii to truly determine if the risk is there, so you claim of a risk is just as much of a lie as jman's.

You must think that they are retarded as a company, i know it might be hard to understand but its someones job to do this planning and strategizing between the consoles. Ubisoft is/has been a leading developer for years now so they're doing something right, sorry its not going your way... Crying doesnt fix it.

Who says we are crying? We are protesting. We are gamers. They need are money. It is our right to insist we get heard. They don't have to listen, but don't you pretend we have no business as gamers being upset at the actions of a gaming company. You think Sony's negative hype around the PS3 launch had no effect on the company's turnaround now? Kaz Harai more or less admitted that was a big problem.


 


 1) The promise comment wasn't directed to you.

2) Why would they admit their wrong? They don't need to they're still making money, admitting they're wrong would only further repel gamers, especially if they dont plan to change anytime soon

3) They aren't a risk because they know what they're capable of, go figure i guess years of developing with Microsoft and Sony taught them a thing or two. By spending more time on wii, they risk compromising PS360 sales which generate most of their revenue.

4) You are crying and they don't need your money, they need gamers money, apperently they are getting money from gamers too because last time i checked they arent bankrupt. 



LordTheNightKnight on 01 June 2008
merkh66 said:
brute said:
sc94597 said:
brute said:
^but they should put extra effort if they want theyre games to sell even better
That is my point. LOL They should also stop trying to copy nintendo with PEtZ.

 


they should stop,also remember when ubi said tehy will produce ninty like quality games for wii,yeah i dont think thas happening


read up on the past posts in the thread please... we've been over the stupid promise about 30 times.


Then why don't you drop the funding through crap games thing, if some of us dropped that as well? Or do you think we didn't?

This guy is a troll for Ubisoft, so I take back all the arguments I made, since he clearly just was trying to do piss poor damage control. Instead, he just made us hate Ubisoft even more.

Some damage control.

 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

jman8 on 01 June 2008
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
sc94597 said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
jman8 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, the "companies aren't nice" line is bullshit, because that argument didn't hold water for Nintendo in the NES days, and it doesn't hold water for UIbisoft now.

Games are a business, but ALSO an artistic medium. One developer outright denying their best work, with NO REAL REASON, is bullshit.

And defending that is bullshit, because I don't think you'd respect the HD consoles getting crap games to avoid HD development costs.

Hey, I totally understand why you're upset. If Ubisoft pulled this shit on my PS3, I'd be upset too. But I would look at from Ubisoft's perspective and understand that they did what they thought was best for the company. If it turned out other companies followed Ubisoft's example, I would be pretty pissed I wasted $600. But when you spend money on systems early on in their lives, the risk you take is that the games you want don't show up on your system of choice. When it doesn't work out how you wanted, you either stick with your system or get a different one. I wish my Dreamcast could have lived on longer but lack of third party support (especially the lack of EA sports games) had a hand in defeating that system. I moved on to the PS2 and Gamecube.


The Dreamcast was losing money, and sales slowed when the PS2 came along. And this is not spending on the Wii early in it's life. The system is well along. There has been no real proof big budget games don't sell on the Wii, so Ubisoft pretending it is so is what is really pissing us off.

That's also what merkh isn't acknowledging. It's that Ubisoft is telling lies to justify their position.


You're right! But there's also no proof for the opposite. There is no proof that a big budget title from a third party will do great on the Wii. However, there is ample proof that big budget titles will sell great on the PS3 and 360. Therefore it is riskier to make a big budget Wii game than big budget PS360 game. There is also proof that bad to mediocre games like Petz and Red Steel and RRR2 can sell pretty well on the Wii. So what incentive does Ubisoft have to deviate from their current formula that seems to be working pretty well?


Then why don't they make their low budget games good?


Because it's easier to make a bad game than a good game. And when the bad game still sells decently, why put in the extra effort to make it good? If you could get B+ all the time on your school work when all you do is fill out your name, why would you actually do the 3 hours worth of work in order to get an A-?


Maybe, because more people will buy it.


I was afraid you'd say that. Let's take the analogy further. What if spending those extra 3 hours to get the A- meant that you had less time for your other class (aka Ubisoft making PS360 games). There's a risk that spending that extra time could mean your A- to A grade in the other class (PS360 games) suffers. Would you still spend those extra 3 hours?

Then they should balance it out. Why would somebody want an A in one subject, and a F in another?

 


 I think you got lost in the analogy.... They're getting an A to A- for working hard on the PS360, and they're getting a B+ for just doing the bare minimum on the Wii, i.e. they can come out with crap like Petz and still get 500,000 sales. I probably just confused things even further.... Good convo guys, I'm going to bed. 



My Top 5:

Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3, Shenmue, Skies of Arcadia, Chrono Trigger

My 2 nex-gen systems: PS3 and Wii

Prediction Aug '08: We see the PSP2 released fall '09. Graphically, it's basically the same as the current system. UMD drive ditched and replaced by 4-8gb on board flash memory. Other upgrades: 2nd analog nub, touchscreen, blutooth, motion sensor. Design: Flip-style or slider. Size: Think Iphone. Cost: $199. Will be profitable on day 1.

merkh66 on 01 June 2008
brute said:
sc94597 said:
It's also funny how ps3 fans bitch about capcoms support, but wii fans can't bitch about ubisoft's

yeah they have also complained about capcom,like when they amde the petition to boycott capcom cause of how DMC4 went multi-plat,and how lost planet didnt get ported well


 Same thing in both comments? lol. I haven't bitched about capcom so don't compare me or Jman to those PS3 owners, just like we're not comparing you to other wii owners, its actually the opposite.



brute on 01 June 2008

^well tehy can even get more sales if they made quality titles on wii



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